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Thistleluff

PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:12 am


Well, part of it, also, is just... the environment can only support so much. There are only so many animals, so much ground that's farmable... once we reach "carrying capacity," even if you KNOW how to farm or hunt... there won't be any place left to do it, or animals left to eat. Thus ensues mass starvation. The sad part is, there's really nothing we can do to prevent it that doesn't suck... like limiting families to one child only. XP Oh well. Eventually the poo is gonna hit the fan, and I sincerely hope that by then, I'll be long gone. =P

Makes me not want to have children.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:34 am


Thistle-chan
Well, part of it, also, is just... the environment can only support so much. There are only so many animals, so much ground that's farmable... once we reach "carrying capacity," even if you KNOW how to farm or hunt... there won't be any place left to do it, or animals left to eat. Thus ensues mass starvation. The sad part is, there's really nothing we can do to prevent it that doesn't suck... like limiting families to one child only. XP Oh well. Eventually the poo is gonna hit the fan, and I sincerely hope that by then, I'll be long gone. =P

Makes me not want to have children.
Nature takes care of itself.

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And perhaps bird flu. Although I still think it's hokey.

I believe it's a way to prune the tree of life to keep the overgrowth from choking the rest of the branches.

The Earth will never have that problem, because an outside force keeps us in check and slims down our ranks, yet gave us the intelligence to fight back and survive.

Immortality could only come at the cost of our reproductive system.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:05 pm


Setzer ~Another~
Immortality could only come at the cost of our reproductive system.
I'd trade that. I don't want kids ever, and living for a good long time sounds like a plan. Just so long as the sex stays good and I keep some sort of youthfulness.

Being physically "aged" and living forever would suck.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:49 pm


Rayinte
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Immortality could only come at the cost of our reproductive system.
I'd trade that. I don't want kids ever, and living for a good long time sounds like a plan. Just so long as the sex stays good and I keep some sort of youthfulness.

Being physically "aged" and living forever would suck.
What about as a eunich? Still worth it?

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:00 pm


Setzer ~Another~
What about as a eunich? Still worth it?

Is there a female version of that?

And no, I think I'd like to keep my sexuality. It's very pleasant, except for the whole point of it being procreation. stressed

But still, it makes life interesting.

Anyways... thinking about it pragmatically, I don't want guaranteed immortality. I don't want to be impossible to kill. That would be utterly boring. But to just keep living until something causes my death other than old age ... that'd certainly be interesting.

And I'd probably take that kind of immortality it as a trade off for the ability to have kids, but only so long as I kept all of the "good parts" of my reproductive system.

If that makes sense.


See. Age happens when the DNA "frays" at the edges during regular mitosis, to use a simple analogy. If there was the option to prevent my DNA from fraying, then the effects of old age shouldn't happen as normal, and I'd essentially be immortal without getting physically "old."

Edit: And after a while I'd probably run out of eggs anyways, since I'm pretty sure I remember learning that each woman starts life with a limited number.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:02 pm


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Nature takes care of itself.

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9/11 had nothing to do with nature. xp The other two, though... yes. Unless you attribute madmen to nature. o:

Setzer ~Another~
I believe it's a way to prune the tree of life to keep the overgrowth from choking the rest of the branches.


Kind of like trimming your hair to make it grow faster/healthier! surprised /random... >>;

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:06 pm


I'd say something about lemmings and cliffs, but that was a hoax anyways.

Anyways. War. Just some evidence that Humanity is very good at pruning itself.

When I was younger I used to mess around with the theory that homosexuality is another way for Nature to keep populations in check. Non-fertile pairs and whatnot.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:19 pm


Thistle-chan
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Nature takes care of itself.

9/11
Katrina
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9/11 had nothing to do with nature. xp The other two, though... yes. Unless you attribute madmen to nature. o:

Setzer ~Another~
I believe it's a way to prune the tree of life to keep the overgrowth from choking the rest of the branches.


Kind of like trimming your hair to make it grow faster/healthier! surprised /random... >>;


I'm of the opinion that God/Nature/Coincidences all have ties in the same area. So I think 9/11 and the Holocaust and all that stuff might have been part of a massive plan.

Not that the DEED was planned, but that the psycho crazy genocidal people were. To even out the amount of people that create more than they can support.

Universal balance and all that rot.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:04 pm


Thistle-chan
Well, part of it, also, is just... the environment can only support so much. There are only so many animals, so much ground that's farmable... once we reach "carrying capacity," even if you KNOW how to farm or hunt... there won't be any place left to do it, or animals left to eat. Thus ensues mass starvation. The sad part is, there's really nothing we can do to prevent it that doesn't suck... like limiting families to one child only. XP Oh well. Eventually the poo is gonna hit the fan, and I sincerely hope that by then, I'll be long gone. =P

Makes me not want to have children.

China already does that. You're only allowed to have one child per family. The problem with this is, since China is very male oriented, female infants are "disposed" of in order to give the family a chance to have a son.

I still think that we should go back to the old Darwin theory, survival of the fittest. The old and ill can't keep up with the herd? Oh well, I guess the wolves will feed good tonight then eh? Personally, I would prefer to be eaten than kept alive just to live out a less than satisfactory life.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:02 pm


The problem with that, though, is then we'd be passing by people like Stephen Hawking. I mean, physically he's useless but he's still got a very good mind, and instead of sulking with it, he's using that mind for the good of mankind.

I'd much rather cast aside the dead weight--people on welfare, for example. The ones who won't support themselves, the ones who keep squirting out babies to get more and more checks from the government. neutral

I think that if any woman has more than one baby on the government's payroll, then immediately after that birth she should have her tubes tied, willing or not. Uncle Sam goes, "Sorry ma'am, but we're already feeding one of your brats and now we'll be feeding two. You've obviously lacking the kind of responsibility it takes to be a good mother/provider for your family."

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:03 pm


i'm currently not worried about the bird flu, although that may change if it starts looking more serious, by which i mean "easy to catch." you know what was a huge load of scaremongering crapola, though? west nile. boo hoo hoo hoo, 1 in 10 people WHO ACTUALLY GET IT will experience symptoms, and they'll mostly be flu-like. and not bird-flu-like, either - the regular aches and fever and feeling like crap. the only people for whom it was a big deal were the elderly and infirm and people with compromised immune systems. not to trivialize them, but then again EVERYTHING is more serious for people in those brackets, so again, west nile = not serious.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:17 pm


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Well, you know, other than that whole AIDS/HIV thing that Bono is yelling about.


Well... the bubonic plauge killed like... 1/4 of the world's population. So maybe it has to do with the definition of a "pandemic..." and how serious it has to be to be considered a global problem... but I dunno I just parrot my teacher, who is usually right. o:


AIDS is pretty much black plague's scary younger sister. It infects the body the exact same way, by hijacking white blood cells, riding them to the lymph nodes, jumping off, and attacking.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/clues.html

Delta-32 is a gene mutation that all plague survivors had (meaning those who were exposed to it and still lived). It prevents viruses from binding to cells in that way. People who still carry the gene today are literally immune to AIDS - they just can't catch it. The Steven Crohn in that article was sexually active in the gay community when the first AIDS outbreak occurred and everyone still thought only gays could catch it. Everyone around him was contracting AIDS - even his partner died of it. But he nver got it because of the mutation passed down from his ancestors who survived the plague.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:33 pm


I don't think there should be panic about the bird flu over here in North America, especially in Canada or U.S.A., but the main point is that we have health standards and regulations that will naturally prevent such flu as that to occur here. In the areas where the bird flu have hit the most devatastively, the sanitation there is very poor, and it's because of very close contact between chicken and humans that the strain of flu have been changing. I doubt that there are humans here that sleep in areas filled with bird poop and such, unless I am highly mistaken, so the panic level shouldn't be that high as of here yet.
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:37 pm


It's population control, and it really, really sucks for some people. But that's the way things are.

You can't cure the world. You can't reverse millions or years of damaged caused by living creatures. And forget about fixing what humans have done...

Oy.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:56 pm


I worry about the whole population control issue sometimes, but then stuff like the whole issue with the bird flu happens and I quit worrying. Nature's looking after us and will kill of enough of us to keep us here a little longer. xp



As to what Rayi said about a woman on the government's payroll getting her tubes tied...my guyfriend had the same idea, vaguely, only his was that every baby should get their tubes tied as soon after birth as it was possible - that way, the only way to get pregnant would be artificial whatchamacallit (can't think of how to spell the word and too lazy to look it up), thereby eliminating most of the need for abortion and keeping those who can't afford to have ten kids from having them.
...I don't know if it'd work, but I suppose if the government got desperate enough it might. *shrug*
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