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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:06 pm
I understand that you're not saying they're like "OMGBAAAAAD". My only problem is the posting of untrue info/lack of evidence and not taking this up with any one of the 3 founders. . . . . . . to which I happen to be Founder #1. To address the rumors you've stated, I'll start off by saying that at every con the BPF is gathered at, either me or T-chan(Founder #3) are there, save any cons in Ohio, which is Ameria area. We have a short, but strict set of rules which I'll use when addressing the rumors stated: Quote: ignore the table limit rules set at conventions, they have been prone to damaging the artwork of other artists. The BPF does not go against table limit rules at all. IF we have a table, we usually talk to someone about the rules if they're not clear, and we do not bother other artist except for the occasional asking for tape if we lose our own (happened at Jacon 2003). We also do not damage other people's art as we also display our own and would never treat someone else's art with disrespect (hell, we've had our own art and property stolen multiple times). In other word the "treat others how you'd want to be treated" rule. If we find another member doing damage to art, we promptly revoke their membership. Quote: Witnessed hazing incidents include: 1.) Forcebly making out with someone else of your own gender to join (AFO 2002)(which is the only one that I myself witnessed) Funny... AFO3 was when we started, and we weren't even the BPF until Sunday afternoon (and there were only 5 of us). For membership at the time (which we can't really consider membership. It was just signing up for when we later started our Yahoo! Group), all you had to do was sign up on a sheet of paper with your name and email if they were interested... and I'd know this b/c I was in charge of sign ups. That NEVER happened. So I dunno who you saw, but it wasn't us. Quote: 2.) Finding a real gay couple and getting them to join in order to become a member (is annoying to the couples)(overheard) Also not true. After AFO3 and a little incident w/ someone hacking into our site, we made membership possible only if a) you request it from one of the founders or b) you signed up at a con after talking to the Founder(s) there. We don't pressure ppl into joining since not everyone wants to join a group about shounen ai, which is obviously OK. No harm done to us. We respect everyone, and would never force ppl into membership. Couples are welcome if they request to join though ^_^ Quote: From what I know about this, all you need to do in order to "become a member" is be a fan of the same stuff Quote: This is true, along w/ the 2 rules i stated earlier. We have a closed membership, but as long as they talk to me or T-chan and we can see that they really want to join, we will let them. The BPF does not support hazing of any kind, nor will be tolerate it happening due to other members. To conclude, the BPF may seem like just a group of fangirls all about yoai.... to which we are ^ ^ but we do everything within rules for all conventions and are respectful to others, and that's made sure of by us, the founders. If anyone is to find one of our members doing something wrong, they should report it to us so we can deal w/ it immediately. Our dodgeball game, anniversary party (which was permitted), and Twister do not count as such. As the Co-Founder of the BPF, I request that you remove us from the list as I see a majority of you "facts" as rumors w/ no concrete backing. The only reason I'm strongly replying to this is that I see the BPF as my child and I don't think it's fair to the rest of the staff, members, and myself to be lumped with others who are considered "problems" when we strive to cause none while still having fun with outhers who share our love for the shounen ai/yaoi genre of manga and anime.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:34 pm
TheGreenMuraki, I deleted your post because I felt it only added to the situation here and while slightly humourous, it was a bit much after your previous post. Jokes like that get old fast. I apologize for not PM'ing this to you, but PMs are down currently.
As far as removing BPF from the list, I myself will not step in and do so, I'm leaving it up to Dragonmun herself to choose. Reason being is while you may very well have debunked all "rumors," but it is, as you pointed out, forgive me, without evidence. Whereas, as a staff member, she would be priveledge to information about these happenings and who is named to be behind them.
I do agree it could very well be people parading around under the guise of your club name. Still, somehow the name was mentioned. I advise you to do your own research into why your club would be associated with these events. I myself would like to see the club name cleared.
[ PS. For what it's worth I'm sorry your first activity in this guild is having to fight for your baby. I do hope we can resolve this matter amicably. ]
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:29 pm
Honestly we don't wish to fight anything, we just wanted to state our case and debunk the rumors spread because wedon't want the B.P.F. getting a bad name off of false pretenses. And I believe with regard to C-chan's asking to be removed from the list, she asked so also because all rumors have been addressed as rumors and we would hope that we are innocent until proven guilty by facts. ^_^;; Sorry for causing any trouble, though of course that wasn't our intention here.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:42 pm
Ameria Seiruun Honestly we don't wish to fight anything, we just wanted to state our case and debunk the rumors spread because wedon't want the B.P.F. getting a bad name off of false pretenses. And I believe with regard to C-chan's asking to be removed from the list, she asked so also because all rumors have been addressed as rumors and we would hope that we are innocent until proven guilty by facts. ^_^;; Sorry for causing any trouble, though of course that wasn't our intention here. lol, that's exactly what I meant sweatdrop we should make you our PR, Ameria biggrin
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:49 pm
Chibaka02 Ameria Seiruun Honestly we don't wish to fight anything, we just wanted to state our case and debunk the rumors spread because wedon't want the B.P.F. getting a bad name off of false pretenses. And I believe with regard to C-chan's asking to be removed from the list, she asked so also because all rumors have been addressed as rumors and we would hope that we are innocent until proven guilty by facts. ^_^;; Sorry for causing any trouble, though of course that wasn't our intention here. lol, that's exactly what I meant sweatdrop we should make you our PR, Ameria biggrin ^_^;; Well, have up uphold peace and justice somehow. mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:35 pm
er, that's roger's game. WE have twister, HE has dodgeball. Quote: TheGreenMuraki, I deleted your post because I felt it only added to the situation here and while slightly humourous, it was a bit much after your previous post. Jokes like that get old fast. I apologize for not PM'ing this to you, but PMs are down currently. sorry about that. i was in an oddly wacky mood and i apologize for the derailing of the topic.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:16 pm
TheGreenMuraki er, that's roger's game. WE have twister, HE has dodgeball. we own him. Therefor, it's ours xd
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:43 pm
Ameria: I understand and I'm glad you're both speaking up. I'll speak with Dragonmun but I have to say, her credibility [being a staff member, running Artist Alley] carries a lot of weight.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:42 pm
Ameria, Chibaka02:
I took you guys down from the list that I had posted, and I appologize for not asking permission to list you guys on anything.
I also should have taken it up with you guys in the first place to get things straightened out. That aspect of everything slipped my mind in a fit of stupidity.
What I can honestly say is that there are people at the cons pissing other people off, and are claiming to be the BPF.
When I was on duty at JACON I've come to the table a couple of times and had to remind them of the rules, based on the reports of others. If you don't remember me doing that, then it wasn't you guys. Simple enough. End of story.
(On a side note AFO 2002 is AFO3, AFO1 was in 2000)
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:45 pm
You know.. in hindsite the "problem children" list probably wasn't a good thing to have posted anyways. Perhaps I should take it down. =>_>=
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:49 pm
Dragonmun You know.. in hindsite the "problem children" list probably wasn't a good thing to have posted anyways. Perhaps I should take it down. =>_>= We must warn the masses about the sins of Shoujo-Jojo!!! Please keep it. I'm sure people would like to know what groups are being closely watched by con security before they get involved, yanno?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:56 pm
Kiss in Digital Dragonmun You know.. in hindsite the "problem children" list probably wasn't a good thing to have posted anyways. Perhaps I should take it down. =>_>= We must warn the masses about the sins of Shoujo-Jojo!!! Please keep it. I'm sure people would like to know what groups are being closely watched by con security before they get involved, yanno? sweatdrop Yeah... I mean I wish I had some warning with John/Jack before hand. Instead Jimmie just wanted to dump the annoyance on me so he wouldn't have to deal with it anymore. =^_^;=
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:00 pm
curse you for making me read all that!! but thank you for taking the time to do it, its much appreciated wink
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:31 pm
O_o, wow so much controversy at Jacon i was never aware of...i didnt even know about the fire and i was there that saturday. BTW i developed a crush on Kiss heart
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:36 pm
Delightful_Deviant O_o, wow so much controversy at Jacon i was never aware of...i didnt even know about the fire and i was there that saturday. BTW i developed a crush on Kiss heart yo, kiss, sounds like a stalker! *sniff sniff* smells like one too! jk jk all in fun whee
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