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 Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:25 pm
Ladyfriend Ok. The main forum is pretty much finished. Just a few touch ups required on the stickies. I think it would be good to have an informal format to the policy discussion threads. Something along the lines of... first post [details of discussion; When is started, when we intend to vote on it, vote results so far, and final decission:] [Your proposed entry into the manifesto] second post [all of the guilds discussion on the subject so far. Copy pasta'd from here] third, and subsequent, posts I starting to feel a little obsesive about creating order here! That looks OK. If anyone needs a guide, the Constitution thread is a fair example.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:51 pm
I think we should make a list of our goals and anything else needed for the manifesto, then work on composing the document.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:55 pm
The manifesto should include:
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:47 pm
The maifesto should inclued: Quote: *Everything in the first two posts of this thread. * * Myslec I think we should make a list of our goals I realise it's not perfect, but... http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=472368Maybe a combined long term, and short term, goals thread would be better.
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:39 pm
Okay, do you think that we should start fresh on ideas, and not just copy them from another thread (I mean, if we think of something we want, we add it, we don't add it just because we have previously thought of it.).
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:29 pm
Myslec Okay, do you think that we should start fresh on ideas, and not just copy them from another thread I think that we are trying to create an entirely new political party for the governance of the whole world, that is trying to recruit members with a wide variety of political concerns, and we don't even have a set of election issues to base our manifesto on. Being as comprehensive and detailed as possible, whilst also providing a summary of each issue for those with short attention spans, will only work in our favour. Also, do you see anything in that list that we shouldn't include in the manifesto?
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:09 pm
Yes, Saab cars shouldn't be included in the manifesto. lol
The list needs to be weeded down so much, but yes, I agree. That start is good. If we see stuff that is questionable, we can vote on it later. I commend you for making the list, but where to from here?
I would transfer every relevant idea into a single, new post. from there it could easily be worked with, added to and subtracted from in a similar manner to how the constitution was worked on. once the list is finished, we can put it in paragraph form.
I don't have any extra time this week or next. If the list isn't complete by then, I'll have all day to work on it.
If you have a better idea, please state it.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:39 pm
Myslec Yes, Saab cars shouldn't be included in the manifesto. lol The list needs to be weeded down so much, but yes, I agree. That start is good. If we see stuff that is questionable, we can vote on it later. I commend you for making the list, but where to from here? I wasn't suggesting we put all of our discussions into the manifesto. All of the general subjects (the headers in bold) should be in it though. The discussion so far were included in this thread so we could have a general idea of where we have stood on these issues, and as a resourse for future discussions. Myslec I would transfer every relevant idea into a single, new post. from there it could easily be worked with, added to and subtracted from in a similar manner to how the constitution was worked on. once the list is finished, we can put it in paragraph form. I don't have any extra time this week or next. If the list isn't complete by then, I'll have all day to work on it. If you have a better idea, please state it. What I had been considering was using the novos account to create a seperate thread for each subject. They would all follow the format shown at the beggining of this thread. Each one would then be locked untill someone presents a possible entry into the manifesto on one of those subjects. At which point, if we do not already have several discussions going on, their proposal will be entered into the first post of the thread, and we discuss, vote on, and pass/deny it. If it is denied we add it to the third post in the thread which will be reserved for failed proposals. That way we will all know which subjects are still to be covered, anyone can create a proposal, and they can be produced one at a time.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:48 pm
Ladyfriend, that sounds good, but I worry that it may become disorganized and be difficult to control.
I will support your method unless a better one presents itself.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:35 pm
Wow... I feel like a kid in a candy store!!!! 4laugh *Giddy* 4laugh Fabulous guild! I only wish it were crowded and bustling with young minds working toward "bettering the world, and discussing world betterment." ^_^ And perhaps we can add a dash of current events, hm? 'Kay, well, let's see... what was I going to say , now? Oh yeah! The first post? A work of art! Bellissimo! heart I applaud thee! 3nodding Mmm well, that's about it! Thanks for the invite, by the by. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:42 pm
Mia~Mad~Hatter Wow... I feel like a kid in a candy store!!!! 4laugh *Giddy* 4laugh Fabulous guild! I only wish it were crowded and bustling with young minds working toward "bettering the world, and discussing world betterment." ^_^ And perhaps we can add a dash of current events, hm? 'Kay, well, let's see... what was I going to say , now? Oh yeah! The first post? A work of art! Bellissimo! heart I applaud thee! 3nodding Mmm well, that's about it! Thanks for the invite, by the by. All of us here at Novos will be glad to have you on board. We have been low on members for way too long. Thanks for coming and looking around. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:11 pm
Aperium Mia~Mad~Hatter Wow... I feel like a kid in a candy store!!!! 4laugh *Giddy* 4laugh Fabulous guild! I only wish it were crowded and bustling with young minds working toward "bettering the world, and discussing world betterment." ^_^ And perhaps we can add a dash of current events, hm? 'Kay, well, let's see... what was I going to say , now? Oh yeah! The first post? A work of art! Bellissimo! heart I applaud thee! 3nodding Mmm well, that's about it! Thanks for the invite, by the by. All of us here at Novos will be glad to have you on board. We have been low on members for way too long. Thanks for coming and looking around. biggrin It's a pleasure! Af... what you guys need is a universal signature for all members and crew--that would draw some attention! I'm just sorry I can't make one. I'm not much of a virtuosa in terms of technology. Not my forte, you see... ^_^ Maybe I could ask around! Would that be okay?
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:18 pm
Mia~Mad~Hatter Aperium Mia~Mad~Hatter Wow... I feel like a kid in a candy store!!!! 4laugh *Giddy* 4laugh Fabulous guild! I only wish it were crowded and bustling with young minds working toward "bettering the world, and discussing world betterment." ^_^ And perhaps we can add a dash of current events, hm? 'Kay, well, let's see... what was I going to say , now? Oh yeah! The first post? A work of art! Bellissimo! heart I applaud thee! 3nodding Mmm well, that's about it! Thanks for the invite, by the by. All of us here at Novos will be glad to have you on board. We have been low on members for way too long. Thanks for coming and looking around. biggrin It's a pleasure! Af... what you guys need is a universal signature for all members and crew--that would draw some attention! I'm just sorry I can't make one. I'm not much of a virtuosa in terms of technology. Not my forte, you see... ^_^ Maybe I could ask around! Would that be okay? Yeah, of course. We have had one main banner, in the past: 
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:14 pm
here is a good one
Hackers Manifesto - The Mentor
Published by: breaks, on 2004-11-20 17:50:06
==Phrack Inc.==
Volume One, Issue 7, Phile 3 of 10
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The following was written shortly after my arrest...
/The Conscience of a Hacker//
by
+++The Mentor+++
Written on January 8, 1986
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Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager
Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"...
Damn kids. They're all alike.
But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain,
ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what
made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?
I am a hacker, enter my world...
Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of
the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me...
Damn underachiever. They're all alike.
I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain
for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms.
Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."
Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.
I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is
cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I
screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me...
Or feels threatened by me...
Or thinks I'm a smart a**...
Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...
Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike.
And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through
the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is
sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is
found.
"This is it... this is where I belong..."
I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to
them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...
Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike...
You bet your a** we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at
school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip
through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or
ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us will-
ing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us
and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is
that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.
My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me
for.
I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual,
but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
+++The Mentor+++
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