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 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:28 am
chesiregirl VenusRain I'd agree that thigh-highs would probably be against dress code and that "heels" is extremely ambiguous wording, but that's about it besides that she's on the edge of Suedom. I'd have to see her in action to give a better account. As a note, three-inch heels aren't necessarily stilettos; a stiletto has a very thin heel, like a blade. They're named after a type of knife for a reason. A three-inch heel without a thin heel is... a three-inch heel. Also, Siegfried? You're making yourself look like a fool. Besides the fact that you were using words wrong and misremembered scenes and canon facts then got defensive when called out on it, you are offering up truly childish reasons to join the DA--the character is supposed to be mature in her rebellion, not childish. As for you, chesiregirl... I'm assuming you're referring to the Confederate States of America with that statement? Because the American Civil War was not fought over beliefs, it was fought over slavery and saying anything else is historical sanitation and rewriting--it is certainly not a result of paying attention to history class. Plus, anyone calling themselves a "Confederate" today is an idiot--the Confederacy is long gone, and it won't be coming back--and most I've met are extremely racist. So while "confederate" does have alternate meanings, you weren't using them and are just showing a rather nasty side to yourself by holding them up as heros. Also, violet is not a human eye color unless the character has albinism and all the issues that come with it, despite what people call the color of whatever actress's eyes. tl;dr, you two are making fools of yourselves. Okay, first off I can understand your heel argument. Second, how could they know whether she had on thigh-highs or simply stockings if the school skirt is knee-length? I'm pretty sure stockings would fly, how can they tell the difference with their skirts reaching their knees? Okay, you haven't paid attention in history either. Slavery was not the ONLY (keyword -ONLY) reason the Civil War was fought. The war was fought over STATE'S RIGHTS. The drastic economic, ethical and enviornmental differences of the northern and southern states caused unrest in the south because they figured that the laws of the US weren't in their best interest. Slavery was A PART of that, because southern economy relied so heavily on slave labor. Why are the US soldiers of the Revolution considered heroes and not confederates? Because they lost? They're just as much of heroes as the Union soldiers, for different but equally just reasons. The violet eyes...um my character's eyes are dark blue, and I don't think that woman's eyes are violet either. They are dark blue, like my character's. I mentioned her eyes to prove that dark blue eyes ARE possible to acheive naturally, because the woman's eyes DO look dark blue, but not violet. ...If you're going to the that determinedly ignorant about why the war was fought (certainly not for state rights; the Confederacy itself had next to no cohesion because of the differences in opinions of its members), then I'm not going to even bother. But remember this: the South is deteremined to make itself look better, just like the North is (why do you think so few people know about how bad Northern racism was?). Slavery was the only thing the Confederate states agreed upon. And you ignored that I was talking about modern "Confederates" aka idiots. The people who fought in the past are one thing, although I still would not call most people on either side heros; the people who ignore history in favor of being ignorant and racist are quite another. p.s. the american civil war was not a thing of justice and saying that men fighting for their state's right to continue to enslave people is "just" makes you look like a racist asshat. It looked like you edited the OP to say dark blue (among other things). I would suggest being more clear as to whether or not you edited a post, particularly when asking for opinions on something.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:04 pm
One_Of_The_Sadly_Fallen chesiregirl One_Of_The_Sadly_Fallen Too me it seems like you started off with a non-sueish character.....and slowly started getting closer to the line. I say just watch out what(if any) more you add to her, since anything could make her an out right Mary Sue. If it was your intention of making her one then you're fine, if not then maybe you could rethink a couple things about her, even if she isn't a "main character" she has ties to one, which means if she's a sue and the main character isn't then you would have to explain why the two are so different. I know people are different, but family wise peopel tend to mimick those around them, even siblings more than anything. For example(since I am an older sibling myself) me and my sister are polar oppisites in Real Life, but when it comes too small things she seems too mimick me. So you should keep the family, loved ones, ans even close friends, thing in mind when working on the character. Thank you for knowing what you're talking about. I haven't "added" to her personality, exactly, but I have taken a bit away, for example she is no longer a "ballroom dancer". The thing of her and her sister being so different...well she and her sister are like you and your sister, or me and my sister, or any other number of sisters out there - on the surface they seem different (the elder loves makeup and can play Quidditch, the younger hates makeup and is a horrible Quidditch player), but their core values and beliefs are the same. They probably share similar parenting styles and put the same emphasis on the religion, and so on and so forth. Yeah no problem. So I think that the same thing applies, you're tiptoeing to the line of her becoming a Mary-Sue by even taking things away. I know Ballroom Dancing might not be something but other things might, also I do believe it has to do with how people perceive her. Like for instance an example(though one that is over used) is Bella Swan from Twilight, according to everything set she does not reach the limitations to be considered a Mary-Sue, but people(including myself) still see her as one by the way she acts and holds herself in situations. I understand the whole sibling thing, and I better understand it now. One thing I would do is make that more apparent because the first thing I thought was that these two sister just didn't act like they were related and other people would see that as something to pick on. Thank you very much for your help. Yes, that can make perfect sense, although in my personal beliefs Bella isn't necessarily a Mary Sue. A very poor, boring, annoying, two-dimensional, and undeveloped character, possibly even a self-insert, but not a Mary Sue. She's more like a Plain Jane (but not an anti-Sue, necessarily) but if you ask me, Plain Janes and Anti-Sues are just as bad as Mary Sues if you ask me - because they are all poorly-made characters. But that's just my opinion. Anyway, I guess it's all up to how she is in action. Though it may be a while before I write this fanfiction (it's a collab with my friend), if I ever write it at all, but when I do work on writing I'll try to keep her from acting too Sue-ish, keep her flaws present, and be sure that underneath all the frills of their personalities and hobbies that the two sisters aren't so different after all. Luckily for me, I don't have to write her as often as her sister or her sister's best friend! XD Haha, although I have to watch it when I'm writing about ANY character, but I honestly think her sister is a decent character, or at least better than her sibling.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:20 pm
VenusRain chesiregirl VenusRain I'd agree that thigh-highs would probably be against dress code and that "heels" is extremely ambiguous wording, but that's about it besides that she's on the edge of Suedom. I'd have to see her in action to give a better account. As a note, three-inch heels aren't necessarily stilettos; a stiletto has a very thin heel, like a blade. They're named after a type of knife for a reason. A three-inch heel without a thin heel is... a three-inch heel. Also, Siegfried? You're making yourself look like a fool. Besides the fact that you were using words wrong and misremembered scenes and canon facts then got defensive when called out on it, you are offering up truly childish reasons to join the DA--the character is supposed to be mature in her rebellion, not childish. As for you, chesiregirl... I'm assuming you're referring to the Confederate States of America with that statement? Because the American Civil War was not fought over beliefs, it was fought over slavery and saying anything else is historical sanitation and rewriting--it is certainly not a result of paying attention to history class. Plus, anyone calling themselves a "Confederate" today is an idiot--the Confederacy is long gone, and it won't be coming back--and most I've met are extremely racist. So while "confederate" does have alternate meanings, you weren't using them and are just showing a rather nasty side to yourself by holding them up as heros. Also, violet is not a human eye color unless the character has albinism and all the issues that come with it, despite what people call the color of whatever actress's eyes. tl;dr, you two are making fools of yourselves. Okay, first off I can understand your heel argument. Second, how could they know whether she had on thigh-highs or simply stockings if the school skirt is knee-length? I'm pretty sure stockings would fly, how can they tell the difference with their skirts reaching their knees? Okay, you haven't paid attention in history either. Slavery was not the ONLY (keyword -ONLY) reason the Civil War was fought. The war was fought over STATE'S RIGHTS. The drastic economic, ethical and enviornmental differences of the northern and southern states caused unrest in the south because they figured that the laws of the US weren't in their best interest. Slavery was A PART of that, because southern economy relied so heavily on slave labor. Why are the US soldiers of the Revolution considered heroes and not confederates? Because they lost? They're just as much of heroes as the Union soldiers, for different but equally just reasons. The violet eyes...um my character's eyes are dark blue, and I don't think that woman's eyes are violet either. They are dark blue, like my character's. I mentioned her eyes to prove that dark blue eyes ARE possible to acheive naturally, because the woman's eyes DO look dark blue, but not violet. ...If you're going to the that determinedly ignorant about why the war was fought (certainly not for state rights; the Confederacy itself had next to no cohesion because of the differences in opinions of its members), then I'm not going to even bother. But remember this: the South is deteremined to make itself look better, just like the North is (why do you think so few people know about how bad Northern racism was?). Slavery was the only thing the Confederate states agreed upon. And you ignored that I was talking about modern "Confederates" aka idiots. The people who fought in the past are one thing, although I still would not call most people on either side heros; the people who ignore history in favor of being ignorant and racist are quite another. p.s. the american civil war was not a thing of justice and saying that men fighting for their state's right to continue to enslave people is "just" makes you look like a racist asshat. It looked like you edited the OP to say dark blue (among other things). I would suggest being more clear as to whether or not you edited a post, particularly when asking for opinions on something. Honestly, what made you think that slavery was the one and ONLY reason the Civil War was fought? I mean, it was a HUGE, HUGE part, I'm not going to deny that, but it was not the ONLY reason, they teach you even that in school. The two regions of America were very different - the South were more...old-fashioned, you could say, and stuck stubbornly to old traditions and whatnot, while the North adapted more agreeably to change. The South's economy relied heavily on agriculture; the North was focused mainly on industry. Even now, America is way too big for its own good. North, South, East, West...and don't even get me started on Hawaii. My friend recently moved from Hawaii, and doesn't consider herself an American at all. The wildly different sets of values across the country is what makes the USA diverse and special, but I think in our greed for more land and "Manifest Destiny" having pushed us to reach "from sea to shining sea" has made us stubbornly attempt to stick together. Anyhow, I can see how you would be talking about modern day "confederates" "rebels" "southerners" "rednecks" or whatever you want to call them. I was meaning more confederates of the past, because most "confederates" these days are grumbling old drunks stuck in the past, but forgive me if what I typed made it seem different. Sorry, yeah, I know they are racist. Believe you me, my parents don't want me to even marry a non-white (even though I've been attracted to my fair share of boys from hispanic and asian descent). I'd like to think I can be a bit judgemental at times, but, as they say in Avenue Q "everyone's a little bit racist". Not everyone goes around busting someone's head in, or denying them a job, or being unfairly prejudiced against them because of where they (or their ancestors) come from, or the color of their skin. But practically everyone will giggle at some form of a racist joke (regardless of what race it's about). Her eyes were always dark blue. From the moment I said "my character is going to have an older sister" her eyes were going to be dark blue. I have edited her profile since I posted it up here, but I'm fairly sure I didn't transfer the revisions from the document on my computer to here. And even IF I did, it certainly was nothing about her eye color. I definitely NEVER EVER intended her eyes to be violet, although I have considered once or twice for them to be a lighter shade of blue (I never made the decision to actually do it in the end). I made the mistake once of giving a character purple eyes in a setting where that eye color was not natural, and I've since scrapped the character and made a vow to never do that again.
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