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 Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:13 pm
Well, if your revs go down significantly and the car sluggishly heaves itself along, or if it stalls, you grabbed fourth. But it's so hard to do that, even if you've got a short throw. You're actually much more likely to skip third and accidentally go to fifth because there's an additional motion involved in the second to third transition, whereas with first to second it's a simple downward motion. You've got to get the feel for every car, but even still it doesn't take me any longer than a few minutes to synchronize with a transmission I'm not used to. Not to sound mean or anything, but do you suffer from coordination problems?
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:22 pm
While we're on the topic, I'd like to mention that I've gotten to be so quick, I can no longer aggressively shift from second to third without grinding. Reason being is that the upward motion of my hand is too fast for the springs. The result is that the shifter collides with the separation in the gate, stops there and consequently I grind because my foot is too quick for me to realize. Also, often times it will even get stuck "in between first and third" and I'll have to yank it out.
Because of this, I'm very shy with third gear lately. I'll wait a few seconds before I let the clutch up. Doesn't matter in day to day driving but I'm sure it'd affect my time on a track. I think I need either stronger shifter springs or a smoother, quicker, short throw shifter. Opinions?
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:59 pm
to be honest, with my previous truck having completely destroyed return springs, i trained myself to 'know' where the gears are, and slammed them directly by reflex without using the spring return to guide my throw.
may not work for everybody, i think the TK-5 has a fairly wide throw, but it's worth looking into.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:19 pm
martial arts wise im very coordinated, but other wise i would not know since i dont do much. I never mess up when going into 5th, I find it difficult to mess that up compared to every other gear.
id make a suggestion but i dont think i know what im talking about blaugh
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:23 pm
It might be easier if I didn't have return springs at all. Then I could feel out the necessary rightward distance necessary for the transition. Still, I'd imagine that super fast shifting under such conditions is extremely difficult. No matter how coordinated you are, when you're looking to minimize time between shifts you're not likely to be able to recognize the distance.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:54 am
Tsukidra martial arts wise im very coordinated, but other wise i would not know since i dont do much. I never mess up when going into 5th, I find it difficult to mess that up compared to every other gear. id make a suggestion but i dont think i know what im talking about blaugh Martial arts gives you better than average hand-eye coordination. True. But that does not apply when you are tying to steer a vehicle at high speeds and the vehicle itself has a "reaction time" on top of your own. Don't worry about trying to become a gun driver in as little time as possible: most of the best drivers I know of today are in their 40's(these are guys who will chew up and spit out many young V8 Supercar drivers who came up with Karts and are aspiring to LeMans and F1) Hell our current Superkart champion is in his late 30's. The ARC 3rd placeholder for '08 is in his 40's, and was the only privateer at the time. So yer, in this case age can make you faster.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:05 am
I think a big problem for people learning to change gears is that they try and grab the shifter with their whole hand.
You need very little force to move the shifter in and out of gears.
So next time, try just to use the palm of your hand.
Also, pay attention to how fast you're going vs how many revs you're doing.
In the begining you'll want to do all of your manual shifting in one car. When I was learning to drive, I used the same car, but as soon as I got into something different where gear positions where spaced differently, I'd often miss a gear.
Eventually after a bit of experience, that stops happening.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:05 am
@Six: I say you beef up your synchros(?).
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:32 am
^^^If he wants to shift THAT quickly, best bet would be a dogbox. But that would be damned expensive, and damned unfriendly on the road.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:50 am
Joey: how discouraging xd I hope I can get into the car I want and handle it great before I hit 40, but you are right, with time comes experience. Maybe not progress, but that's just on an individual basis.
Super panda: Yeah you are right, I do grip too hard and tend to try to fight the knob. I need a car better suited for my size, the m3 was perfect size, but the seat was broken which made it difficult to sink the clutch. When I get a car in manual hopefully the change will make me feel less tense.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:50 am
Tsuki, the thing here is that in order to get better, you need seat time. And I mean quality seat time, with small goals set for yourself to begin with every time you go to work. Maybe try this, if you are a new driver.
For the first week, forget about shifting. Concentrate on braking. Pick a spot, and stop there smoothly without upsetting the car. You can practice this on the road, just be sure you have good tyres and good pads/discs. Leave the suspension soft and stock, as you want to feel the car rock and roll to your input.
Example, you should stop with the car in front's back wheels just visible over your bonnet, no?
Then stop at that distance every time, smoothly.
Try it and see if its easy, then let us know. mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:47 am
Joey Crash ^^^If he wants to shift THAT quickly, best bet would be a dogbox. But that would be damned expensive, and damned unfriendly on the road.
rofl ******** that. That's a huge expense. Even still, if I had the money for it, I don't really like them. I like to be able to change to whatever gear I like. Most often when I'm driving 'normally' I use 1, 3 and 5 anyways. Beefing up my synchros and getting stronger return springs seems to be my best option. Either that, or maybe a short throw kit will eliminate my issue.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:24 pm
s i x s p e e d Joey Crash ^^^If he wants to shift THAT quickly, best bet would be a dogbox. But that would be damned expensive, and damned unfriendly on the road.
rofl ******** that. That's a huge expense. Even still, if I had the money for it, I don't really like them. I like to be able to change to whatever gear I like. Most often when I'm driving 'normally' I use 1, 3 and 5 anyways. Beefing up my synchros and getting stronger return springs seems to be my best option. Either that, or maybe a short throw kit will eliminate my issue.
[/img] actually, return springs exist to make daily driving easier, slow shifting, that kind of thing. you actually MIGHT want to try a non-return spring type of setup, see how that feels for you.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:37 pm
Joey Crash Tsuki, the thing here is that in order to get better, you need seat time. And I mean quality seat time, with small goals set for yourself to begin with every time you go to work. Maybe try this, if you are a new driver. For the first week, forget about shifting. Concentrate on braking. Pick a spot, and stop there smoothly without upsetting the car. You can practice this on the road, just be sure you have good tyres and good pads/discs. Leave the suspension soft and stock, as you want to feel the car rock and roll to your input. Example, you should stop with the car in front's back wheels just visible over your bonnet, no? Then stop at that distance every time, smoothly.Try it and see if its easy, then let us know. mrgreen ive been practicing that everyday since, I got my license. I practice coming to a stop from different speeds yet having a smooth transition. I kinda got that easy since my dad used to do this late stop but let the wheels roll slowly instead of stopping. Most of the time I try to see how close I can stop behind the person and I do a good job. I also practice my ability to to come around different corners at different speeds. On the way home from work and school I choose a really difficult route which imitates some boards on this racing simulation game I have. At first I tried the corners at the speed limit then every time I approach those corners I try to come around it smoother and faster. There is one spot where I exit and right after I make the right I have to make th left. The road is usually abandoned so I try drifting around it, but that doesn't work well at all with toyota tacoma. xd I work on my lining and how steady I enter and exit a corner. I usually watch as aggressive drivers pass me and pick up somethings. Before there were times I could have smoothly over taken someone but I wasn't sure if I had the space and time for it, but now I'm confident in a lot more situations. At this point I need something quicker than a stock tacoma, and I don't know if this civic will quite do it. (also the tacoma could use some tires and the brakes aren't great {too much delay} so I am wondering how i'd do on the corners and take offs without losing traction like I do once in awhile.) The Tacoma doesn't even stop as great as my dad's box truck which is what I practiced in to get my permit. (those big company trucks, which I also do the same exercises as I do in the tacoma, well except trying to drift {that'd be stupid to try}) I would record my experiences, but driving with an ipod up in my hand might not be easy or safe. Not that my driving is safe when I practice, though I am not reckless, but I always stay in my comfort zone of progress. (that's why I feel confident that I won't crash the rx7 unless I do something out of my comfort zone) When I was new to driving it was easy to do all the things you listed simply because I played so much video games it was the first thing I did. Also being so nervous my response was delayed anyway so why not take my time and get as smooth and close of a stop as I could to the car in front of me. Now when I do it, it's not much to think of, but I always focus to do better, though I think I met a level to be satisfied with. Right now I'm working on travelling distance, because I tend to use the brakes when the brake lights of the person inf ront of my comes on. Of course it's not a bad idea, but I want to actually notice the car in front of me slowing down, sometimes I don't have to hold the brakes just because they less than a car link between me. On regular roads this isn't difficult but on the high way it's much tougher since people tail gate and make more abrupt changes in speed. What would my next task be?
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:05 am
^^^A defensive driving and basic car control course is what. A new driver should take up this kind of training the moment they start to become familiar with the car. And you probably need to pass one of these in order to go on to the advanced driver training and circuit training.
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