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Fish of Steel
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:03 am


Voldemort point two
The_Pathan
You shoulden't talk bad about his parrents. If u got nothing good to say, then don't say anything. It is haram.


That's right. ****** are perfectly normal and fine people, nothing wrong with them whatsoever. [/sarcasm]

Don't misquote me on that. Child abuse makes me cry too; I just think that it's completely wrong to kill whoever does it. Killing is always wrong, and there's a definite chance that people can have a wrong grasp of the situation. What if there was a real, loving age-gap relationship? I've known of some. There's a married couple with a 8-year age gap. I knew of another couple where the girl was 17 and the man was 25. I think that there was an equally loving relationship between a 10-year-old boy and a twenty-year-old man. I don't know if it really was a relationship or just good friends, but from what I can gather, it was. What if someone took one look at these (especially the latter) and thought it was child abuse and killed the older one in each of these relationships? Would that be good? Would it be "honourable", killing an innocent man because of who he loves?


1-saying that killing is just plain wrong is stupid an naive the world is not black and white some times its of and sometimes it’s not, are you telling me that the man that did this to poor child does not deserve death?? In fact he derseves to have the same thing done to him but unfortunately it’s not our place to do that its god's.

2-my fiancé is 11 years older than me and my parents are 14 years apart there not a problem with age difference this is not even the topic of discussion.

3-a relationship between a 10 year old boy and a 20 year old man IS WRONG!!!! I’m not taking about them being gay I’m talking about the fact that psychologically a 10 is a child he did not even hit puberty his body does not have the ergs that a 20 year old man does a 20 year old man thinks about sex because it’s what his body wants 10 year old boy thinks about love or friendship NOT about sex!!!
you can’t expect a 10 year old to have sex its wrong its sick and its rape even if the kid says it’s ok he is a child he does not know any better the adult should know to stop being selfish and leave the poor boy alone to live with the few years of innocence he has left!!!
It’s not abuse or rape if they don’t do anything but what kind of sick person would be attracted to a child that means he is ***** I guess if does not touch the child and gets help then he would be a good man)
But if the child comes home with bruises of course its abuse!!!
When he has broken arms and legs and no one taking care of him of course its abuse!!!
I don’t get how ur age topic related to this video?
are saying there was a relationship between the boyfriend and a 2 year old? Explain plz I don’t get it??
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:23 pm


Fish of Steel


1-saying that killing is just plain wrong is stupid an naive the world is not black and white some times its of and sometimes it’s not, are you telling me that the man that did this to poor child does not deserve death?? In fact he derseves to have the same thing done to him but unfortunately it’s not our place to do that its god's.

Ah, I've been having this argument on Facebook and got called a ****** for it, so I suppose I'll have to be careful what I say. It is never okay to kill. Not even in self defence. And no, he does not deserve death. Because as you've just said, it's not our place to judge. It's God's. Now, I'm not a Muslim, so just remember that in case you have some Qur'an passage to quote at me, but there are other reasons not to kill.

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a relationship between a 10 year old boy and a 20 year old man IS WRONG!!!!

I'm not even sure it is a relationship, or if they're just good friends. But to be honest, that's what beneficial generation-gap relationships are. And yes, I said they can be beneficial. I can provide you with logical arguments for that, but you don't seem to have provided any logical arguments for them being wrong, so apparently I don't need to.

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I’m talking about the fact that psychologically a 10 is a child he did not even hit puberty his body does not have the ergs that a 20 year old man does a 20 year old man thinks about sex because it’s what his body wants 10 year old boy thinks about love or friendship NOT about sex!!!

Well I'd disagree with you because I was a very horny ten-year-old and would have loved to have a sexual relationship, but I don't think that this relationship - if it exists (which I don't think it does) - is sexual. It's basically my life's goal to get to the bottom of it, so I'll get back to you when I find out. What I'm trying to say is that chaste relationships exist, and I'm talking about chaste generation-gap relationships as the "beneficial" ones.

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you can’t expect a 10 year old to have sex its wrong its sick and its rape

What about a nine-year-old girl? Is it okay if you're a prophet and you marry her first?
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if the kid says it’s ok he is a child he does not know any better

I would have been perfectly happy with sex when I was ten. And another thing, in some Third World countries, girls are considered barren if they haven't had their first child by the age of eleven. Do they not know any better? No, it just means that society is different in different places. Just because some people go against society doesn't make them wrong, as long as no-one's being hurt.

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are saying there was a relationship between the boyfriend and a 2 year old? Explain plz I don’t get it??

Ah, no. I was just pointing out that not all "O NOEZZZ CHILD ABUSSSEE" stories are actually child abuse, and that you shouldn't jump in with a noose as soon as you think children are being "abused", because more often than not, they aren't.

Voldemort point two


Fish of Steel
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:18 pm


what does killing have to do with being a ***** there 2 totally different things, and ur not a ***** if ur not the one doing the molesting and I read some were u were 15 I think so ur jail bait ur self if u are 15.
I didnt quote anything from the Quran u made clear ur not Muslim and u dislike Islam.
but my idea about killing is true that I go from Islam but I dont believe in it cuz Im Muslim I believe in it cuz it make sense!!
in Islam it’s an eye for an eye
which means murderers are kill, not on the spot we are not insane he has to be proven guilty then he exuded but if the family of the victim forgives the murderer then he won’t be exuded and the punishment is left to the judge.
if the man was innocent god knows it and will inshallah send him to heaven since he was killed unfairly, we do what god said he does the rest of the judging maybe gods would see that a person did so much evil that the exution is not enough and will punish him more, that’s what I meant by its god's job to judge,
u can think what u what its ur choice but I believe saying killing is just wrong like the world is black and white is naive, but riding the world of such evil I believe is a duty.



I was not saying the 2 ppl u were talking, about I mean in general.



just cuz u were a horney little kid does not mean that all of them are u need to think about everyone to just ppl like u, and just cuz u were horney when u were 10 doesn’t mean u knew any better u were still a child, I doubt that when u were 10 u knew much about STD or about the fact that an adult may be just using u, even if u did allot of 10 year old do not.



and about the prophet there are many points and when Im saying I am speaking scientifically not religiously u need to know that:

1- the prophet live 1400years ago, 500 years ago 16 was the perfect age for marriage now 16 year old are not allowed to have sex legally.

2-a woman can marry when she hits puberty, when a girl gets her period she is a woman in Islam, girls get there periods between the ages of 9 and 15, and hotter countries girls tend to become women sooner usually between 9 and 11 and the colder the country the letter it comes (look it up its a scientific fact)

3-my great aunt was married at 7 and in a few years she was a mother my grandma was married at 12 she had kids right way and was able to raise 10 kids and take care of her home, Arab countries are still like that we marry much earlier that other courtiers and we are able to open a home some girls in Europe or America get married at 25 and dont know how to rain a baby.
it’s our culture to learn how to be mothers at a young age and it was younger hundreds of years ago.

4-the prophet had no children from Aisha his 9 year old wife, there was no proper birth control 1400 years ago witch mean he did not go to her often, at 9 the ppl saw her just any of the other wife’s of the prophet, which means at that time she was viewed as a woman.
she was the only virgin bride the prophet had btw

5-the reason he married her so young was that the prophet died few years after marrying her, when he passed away a few of his wives were already dead since some were older than him, but Aisha lived many years after his death and helped spread the true Islam she was his wife she learned Islam first had no one knew more than her, if he married someone as old as him she would have died 10 years later, do u get what I mean?



I am from a third world country and let me give u an example about another country’s traditions that if they were Muslim or even just had any knowledge about the human body they would not do it

there is a village in Africa were girls marry early if they did not have children by 12 they are killed, in this country a girl would get pregnant before 1 being 12 her small body cannot handle a child the baby would end up being borne premature and dyeing maybe killing the mother with him, when the mother has the baby and he is dead they take her out to a small hut outside the village for the wolfs to kill her or she bleeds to death whichever comes first some who live have permanent problems like they can’t go to the bathroom and there is a bag of pee hanging at their legs all the time, what kind of life is that?
in Islam she can’t have kids before puberty a father that knows whats good for his daughter wouldn’t do it.

in science it’s not possible for the girl to handle a pregnancy before puberty, we just knew that hundreds of years before doctors did.

if u let that village go on with their traditions it’s hurting the poor girls that die so early!!! Im not saying turn them Muslim Im saying send doctors to them so they know that what they are doing is killing there daughters!!!



ur right one shouldn’t just to the idea that its child abuse without checking it, it’s against the law anyway, but the child in that vid was abused there was a case opened and they found who was doing it.

u honestly dont know how evil ppl can be I work as a social worker, u have no idea of the crap I see every day, I see men and women who deserve worse than hell for what they have done, when u see and work first had with these cases like I have then u can judge if it’s wrong to kill someone if they do something wrong..
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:18 am


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