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Formerly called the NCS, this is a place for communists and socialists to talk about communism and socialism. 

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:11 am


Herobane
I'm not a fan of people of either persuasion.

Besides, Trotskyism's so marginalised and small that it can hardly be called one of today's "two major fields" or whatever Graccia called it.

And Zed, purging's awesome. Ever done it? Go onto your facebook and purge at least ten people. You'll find out how cool it feels.
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I did this on myspace. I got 50 angry responses as I laughed evilly "Join my apps or ban!!"
A cog in the American death machine....
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:45 pm


Would Ho Chi Mihn be considered a good Marxist?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:11 pm


Nokturnal Evisceration
Would Ho Chi Mihn be considered a good Marxist?


No. Wasn't really theoretical. He also aligned with the Stalinists to assure the safety of Vietnam. Somewhat opportunistic.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:52 pm


Syndicat Rob
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Would Ho Chi Mihn be considered a good Marxist?


No. Wasn't really theoretical. He also aligned with the Stalinists to assure the safety of Vietnam. Somewhat opportunistic.

As well as helping put down the insurrection in 1945 of the Saigon workers, led by the local Trotskyists, against the returning French Imperialism.

He didn't 'align with the Stalinists to assure the safety of Vietnam,' but was a faithful member of the Stalinist Comintern who sought to betray revolutionary opportunities in order to maintain an alliance with the 'democratic' imperialists.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:53 am


Gracchia Saint-Justine
Syndicat Rob
Nokturnal Evisceration
Would Ho Chi Mihn be considered a good Marxist?


No. Wasn't really theoretical. He also aligned with the Stalinists to assure the safety of Vietnam. Somewhat opportunistic.

As well as helping put down the insurrection in 1945 of the Saigon workers, led by the local Trotskyists, against the returning French Imperialism.

He didn't 'align with the Stalinists to assure the safety of Vietnam,' but was a faithful member of the Stalinist Comintern who sought to betray revolutionary opportunities in order to maintain an alliance with the 'democratic' imperialists.


Chinese nationalists put pressure on the Vietnam Communists to align with them. If they hadn't it would've ended then and there. It doesn't matter anyway, it only lasted 5 years before the thing dissolved anyway. Ho went to Stalin to get troops to help fight against the french and they won.

Edit: Don't get me wrong. Ho sucks a lot of balls. Just saying, He did it to make sure he beat the French
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:12 pm


Syndicat Rob
Ho sucks a lot of balls.


Lol'd HARD

Herobane


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:01 pm


Syndicat Rob
Ho sucks a lot of balls.

You totally said that on purpose.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:06 am


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Syndicat Rob
Ho sucks a lot of balls.

You totally said that on purpose.


You got me sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:30 am


Gracchia Saint-Justine
The modern communist movement is currently shattered, but we still have two tendencies which dominate: Stalinism and Trotskyism. Both issue from the Great October Revolution. The questions posed to us iare the following:

1: Which best represents Marxism in the post-October world?

2: Which best coincides with the thought of Lenin?

3: Which offers the best understanding of revolutionary struggles and post-revolutionary development?

4: Which best formulates the tasks of the vanguard party?

5: Which provides the best orientation for a revolutionary party?

6: Which most coincides with reality?

Using Marxist texts most relevent to the question at hand, and citing historical events and material where appropriate, discuss the above six questions.


1: Marxism in the post-october world is conditioned by a, at bottom, the attitude taken toward the state. Both the state of the capitalists, and the state of the revolutionary proletariat. With this in mind, we need to know what position Lenin took toward the state. We find Stalinism claiming that socialism has been achieved in the USSR, and yet we find nothing but a growth of the state power, rather than its dimunition, rather than finding it withering away as Lenin expressed, taking his cue from Engels and Marx. [State and Revolution]. Trotsky, in contradistinction to Stalinism, claimed that the SU was not yet sociaist, and could not be socialist due to being surrounded by hostile, and more powerful capitalist powers. This is something Lenin repeatedly emphasised, both in speeches and in articles. In fact, we don't even find the theory of Socialism in One Country until late 1924.

I think that settles the question there easily enough.

2: I've mostly answered this above, so I'll leave this for any examples that come up in the course of further discussion. And I'll fininsh the post tomorrow, because now I'll watch X-Files.
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