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Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:47 pm


HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:03 pm


Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.

Intermundia


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:07 pm


Comrade Rob
Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:17 pm


Sri Iskander
Comrade Rob
Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.

Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:20 pm


Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Comrade Rob
Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:23 pm


Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Comrade Rob
Sri Iskander


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'

Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:32 pm


Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Comrade Rob
Sri Iskander


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.


The Pirates were totally ******** awesome. I mean the whole 'cut your nose and ears off if you steal' thing was a bit dramatic, but other than that they had some pretty good principles.


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'


Naw, you just base yourself on Marxism minus the bad parts. Well, actually, it might not even be minus the bad parts.

I've made clear what parts of piracy I've taken inspiration from, and I feel no need to parrot their entire way of life just because I like some of their ideas. I also happen to like some Muslim ideas, but I'm not going to convert because of that. I take inspiration from Buddhists, Jews, Pirates, Muslims, Hindus, Cappies, Commies, other Anarchists, and a wide array of sources.

Now if you're actually going to ask a question, or try to argue about my ideology (rather than trying to imply that because people before me did douchebag things, then my ideology will also encourage douchebag things), then go ahead. If not, admit you have no ground to stand on, and walk away with some dignity.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:03 am


Herobane
Norm of Okinawa
Herobane
Gracchvs Robespierre
You should totally rename the thread "Ask Herobane jr. Anything."
Because really, that's what you are, an impulsive psuedo communist. :3


I'm hurt and offended that you'd compare me to an anarchist.

I'm capable of logic in politics, therefore setting me above them wink
Anarchy rolls the d 20 to see if it hits you with fail....

better luck next time, I suppose, but just for lulz, roll your reaction, you impulsive psuedo communist

As for my question, in a post capitalism fail society, where anarchy truly reigns supreme (as there are no other conceivable outcomes XD) how will barter take place?

Who will regulate how many goats are traded for shotgun shells?


WHo asked for your opinion? Sit back down in the corner.
This is the mentality I have faced with near half the active guild members, it's really ******** annoying. I come in here to read something and I get insulted consistantly. Makes me wonder why I do come here.

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Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:45 am


Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'


Naw, you just base yourself on Marxism minus the bad parts. Well, actually, it might not even be minus the bad parts.

I've made clear what parts of piracy I've taken inspiration from, and I feel no need to parrot their entire way of life just because I like some of their ideas. I also happen to like some Muslim ideas, but I'm not going to convert because of that. I take inspiration from Buddhists, Jews, Pirates, Muslims, Hindus, Cappies, Commies, other Anarchists, and a wide array of sources.

Now if you're actually going to ask a question, or try to argue about my ideology (rather than trying to imply that because people before me did douchebag things, then my ideology will also encourage douchebag things), then go ahead. If not, admit you have no ground to stand on, and walk away with some dignity.

Rather than say 'because people who agreed with you did bad stuff, so will you' my point is that they did 'douchebag things' because of their ideology. But as I've said in other places: You are not an anarchist. Anarchists have a rather specific definition for the state, and you don't use it. Instead, your practical understanding of the issue of revolution, at the very least, is very close to ours. I really think you should read some of the basic communist and anarchist works so you can really see just how close you are to us, and how far away away you are from them. At least as far as the practical issue of the revolution and securing it is concerned.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:51 am


Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander


<_< >_> Everyone has their over the top stupid moments. Even pirates.

But, y'know, paying fair amounts of loot, providing extra loot to injured crewmembers, voting on captains, having constitutions... Yeah. S'cool. pirate

Raping, pillaging, burning, looting...

Yeah. Fair among themselves. Much like the bourgeoisie. Fair division of loot there, eh.


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'


Naw, you just base yourself on Marxism minus the bad parts. Well, actually, it might not even be minus the bad parts.

I've made clear what parts of piracy I've taken inspiration from, and I feel no need to parrot their entire way of life just because I like some of their ideas. I also happen to like some Muslim ideas, but I'm not going to convert because of that. I take inspiration from Buddhists, Jews, Pirates, Muslims, Hindus, Cappies, Commies, other Anarchists, and a wide array of sources.

Now if you're actually going to ask a question, or try to argue about my ideology (rather than trying to imply that because people before me did douchebag things, then my ideology will also encourage douchebag things), then go ahead. If not, admit you have no ground to stand on, and walk away with some dignity.

Rather than say 'because people who agreed with you did bad stuff, so will you' my point is that they did 'douchebag things' because of their ideology. But as I've said in other places: You are not an anarchist. Anarchists have a rather specific definition for the state, and you don't use it. Instead, your practical understanding of the issue of revolution, at the very least, is very close to ours. I really think you should read some of the basic communist and anarchist works so you can really see just how close you are to us, and how far away away you are from them. At least as far as the practical issue of the revolution and securing it is concerned.


Tsk tsk. Pay attention. I've said several times before that, prior to my switchover to anarchy, I was a commie. Still am. It's to be no surprise that I still stand near y'all.

When I call myself a "communist" people equate it with "Marxist", which I'm not. When I call myself an "anarchist" people equate that with "mindless violence" or "libertarianism", which I'm also not. So I refer to myself as a pirate-anarchist, and then they stop to ask me wtf that means, and I can actually explain without them making blatant and idiotic assumptions.

Now, questions?

Dis Domnu


Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:12 pm


Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander


Same can be said of any group in the world. USSR? Totally nice guys, lots of love and peace and ignore all that stuff about gulags. wink

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'


Naw, you just base yourself on Marxism minus the bad parts. Well, actually, it might not even be minus the bad parts.

I've made clear what parts of piracy I've taken inspiration from, and I feel no need to parrot their entire way of life just because I like some of their ideas. I also happen to like some Muslim ideas, but I'm not going to convert because of that. I take inspiration from Buddhists, Jews, Pirates, Muslims, Hindus, Cappies, Commies, other Anarchists, and a wide array of sources.

Now if you're actually going to ask a question, or try to argue about my ideology (rather than trying to imply that because people before me did douchebag things, then my ideology will also encourage douchebag things), then go ahead. If not, admit you have no ground to stand on, and walk away with some dignity.

Rather than say 'because people who agreed with you did bad stuff, so will you' my point is that they did 'douchebag things' because of their ideology. But as I've said in other places: You are not an anarchist. Anarchists have a rather specific definition for the state, and you don't use it. Instead, your practical understanding of the issue of revolution, at the very least, is very close to ours. I really think you should read some of the basic communist and anarchist works so you can really see just how close you are to us, and how far away away you are from them. At least as far as the practical issue of the revolution and securing it is concerned.


Tsk tsk. Pay attention. I've said several times before that, prior to my switchover to anarchy, I was a commie. Still am. It's to be no surprise that I still stand near y'all.

When I call myself a "communist" people equate it with "Marxist", which I'm not. When I call myself an "anarchist" people equate that with "mindless violence" or "libertarianism", which I'm also not. So I refer to myself as a pirate-anarchist, and then they stop to ask me wtf that means, and I can actually explain without them making blatant and idiotic assumptions.

Now, questions?

Actually, when you say 'anarchist' to a communist, they equate it with Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Emma Goldman.

So you'll have to forgive me for assuming some level of ideological coherence and knowledge from someone who claims to a particular ideology, and for my blatant and idiotic assumption that someone who claims to Anarchism would have at least a little knowledge of... well, anarchism.

But I shouldn't be surprised, really. The Anarchism that has sprung up since the seventies has almost no personal, organisational or ideological ties with pre-ww2 Anarchism, and just seems to be some pathetic, if completely understandable, repulsion from the compromising and social crimes of the Social-Democrats and Stalinists.


And to make you shut up about questions: Why do you call yourself an anarchist if you have no connection to classical anarchism besides hatred of the word 'state'?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:26 am


Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.
Great you can substantiate a group by stealing off a larger population, and not really do much but services; and making no goods. So, is going back to tribes helps us, how?

HoroTheUnwise


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:59 am


HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
HoroTheUnwise
Sri Iskander
Similar to the capitalist thread. wink

Come ask the Guild's token anarchist anything.
What type of anarchist?


Dunno, really. sweatdrop

I tend to shift my position slightly on various issues as I learn new things, and I'm not overly well read on "formal" anarchist theory (ie: the stuff old guys before me wrote).

I've just described myself as a pirate anarchist for a while. I feel it's fairly appropriate, since I take a lot of inspiration from the old pirates.
Great you can substantiate a group by stealing off a larger population, and not really do much but services; and making no goods. So, is going back to tribes helps us, how?


I don't even know what the ******** you just said. Some attacks, and then a question about something I've never even mentioned.

But, sure, I'll deal with a tribe question. Firstly, how are we not already in tribes? Life brings us into contact with a great many people, but I srsly doubt you actually care about each and every one of them. No. Human psychology is built around a smaller group of familiar faces who we remember, who we care about.

Human social life is built around tribes (we're fond of calling them cliques now), so is human political life (movements and nations), and even human philosophical life (the isms, etc).

Stupid tribalism, with racism, classism, sexism, and other nasty things, is stupid. Lol. But so is any social organization that has those things. The goal isn't to kill tribalism, but to kill the nasties. razz

Now, as for my personal ideology, politically I call for a great deal of comradeship. If you'd like to know about my actual political leanings/preferences, all you have to do is ask. wink
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:03 am


Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre
Sri Iskander
Gracchvs Robespierre

Except I base myself on the early SU, prior to its Stalinist degeneration. This, of course, being opposed to some mythical 'pirates minus the bad parts.'


Naw, you just base yourself on Marxism minus the bad parts. Well, actually, it might not even be minus the bad parts.

I've made clear what parts of piracy I've taken inspiration from, and I feel no need to parrot their entire way of life just because I like some of their ideas. I also happen to like some Muslim ideas, but I'm not going to convert because of that. I take inspiration from Buddhists, Jews, Pirates, Muslims, Hindus, Cappies, Commies, other Anarchists, and a wide array of sources.

Now if you're actually going to ask a question, or try to argue about my ideology (rather than trying to imply that because people before me did douchebag things, then my ideology will also encourage douchebag things), then go ahead. If not, admit you have no ground to stand on, and walk away with some dignity.

Rather than say 'because people who agreed with you did bad stuff, so will you' my point is that they did 'douchebag things' because of their ideology. But as I've said in other places: You are not an anarchist. Anarchists have a rather specific definition for the state, and you don't use it. Instead, your practical understanding of the issue of revolution, at the very least, is very close to ours. I really think you should read some of the basic communist and anarchist works so you can really see just how close you are to us, and how far away away you are from them. At least as far as the practical issue of the revolution and securing it is concerned.


Tsk tsk. Pay attention. I've said several times before that, prior to my switchover to anarchy, I was a commie. Still am. It's to be no surprise that I still stand near y'all.

When I call myself a "communist" people equate it with "Marxist", which I'm not. When I call myself an "anarchist" people equate that with "mindless violence" or "libertarianism", which I'm also not. So I refer to myself as a pirate-anarchist, and then they stop to ask me wtf that means, and I can actually explain without them making blatant and idiotic assumptions.

Now, questions?

Actually, when you say 'anarchist' to a communist, they equate it with Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Emma Goldman.

So you'll have to forgive me for assuming some level of ideological coherence and knowledge from someone who claims to a particular ideology, and for my blatant and idiotic assumption that someone who claims to Anarchism would have at least a little knowledge of... well, anarchism.


Just like commies have all their little groups and sub-groups, so does anarchy. You wanna know about mutual cooperation? Self government? Participatory democracy? Those movements I can tell you about. You want to know about some other group(s)? Go ask people who declare themselves to be a Proudhon-Anarchist. Or whatever they'd call themselves.

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But I shouldn't be surprised, really. The Anarchism that has sprung up since the seventies has almost no personal, organisational or ideological ties with pre-ww2 Anarchism, and just seems to be some pathetic, if completely understandable, repulsion from the compromising and social crimes of the Social-Democrats and Stalinists.


Pathetic how?

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And to make you shut up about questions: Why do you call yourself an anarchist if you have no connection to classical anarchism besides hatred of the word 'state'?


I don't hate the word State. And my ties are to more modern anarchism. Believe it or not, movements can change over time. I wasn't overly interested in old commie writers, either. I find the old writings to be dry and uninteresting, honestly. There's only a few that I can actually sit down and read with any level of interest.

Dis Domnu


FrostDemon13

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:57 pm


Alright, Sri, riddle me this. Why are the true anarchists such a dying breed?
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