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They support the Idea as much as every one in this guild but to me they seem to have giving the cause a bad name i was hated on by my gf's family because i said the idea's of Engles and Marx work and its sad when i see people who think we are bad people i say force them outta the party or give them a less say in matters

Ooooor, you can stop contradicting all the stuff I read, and I'll leave you alone.

But you won't, because fundamentally my charge is correct: You said marxism was lacking, therefore there is something it lacks which you want to bring into it.

Anything you add will have by definition a non-proletarian character.

*is still waiting for any sources on this claim*
Also, stop saying things you think I said. -_- I know what the problem is: you 1. listen to what I said, but then 2. don't think about how I am using 'feminism' and apply what I said to your own definition and therein lies the problem. Then you jump to conclusions about what I said, even after I specifically say I didn't...you continue to insist I did because that's the way you interpreted it when you first heard it.

edit: Bah, nevermind. I've just encountered an ideological blockage in you. Just...forget it. Honestly.
You said that marxism provided an inadequate or incomplete explanation for women's oppression.
True [-]
False[-]

This is what it hinges on, not the word feminism. If marxism is inadequate or incomplete, you have to go OUTSIDE it, to NON-MARXIST sources to get a more adequate or more complete explanation of women's oppression.

THAT is what I am opposed to.

But hey what do I matter right?
i am just some ******** Trot, eh. I oppose what you you propose and I suddenly have an ideological blockage. Because it couldn't possibly be that everything I have read has said the opposite could it?
Not at all. I don't go to uni, so all the stuff I read is for stupid people who don't matter and can be easily dismissed as 'ideologically blocked.'

Isn't that the case?
I am just some dumb non-university educated worker and so nothing I say that you disagree with can have any logical or rational foundation but must come from being stubborn and ******** dumb.

If that is the case, what are you even doing claiming communism, the ideology of the working class?

No. What I was trying to point out were your ******** semantics. You were so ******** literal on the term "Feminism" that failed to comprehend the fact that it had a different meaning when put in front of "Marxism".
In this misinterpretation, You proceeded to attack the idea of any agitation for the fact that it turns the class question into a gender question.
It is as Kotka said earlier. The Feminists Marxists feel there is a lacking in Marxism that pertains to women. In this they fill that void and use Marxism to explain woman's exploitation under capitalism. Women (as you've said yourself) are the oppressed gender in modern-bourgeois society. Because of this, there arose Feminist-Marxism!
Now the gist i get from your fervent defense against Feminist-Marxism only led me to the conclusion that you feel Feminist Agitation is not necessary for class struggle. You however contradicted this conclusion of mine by stating that It is in fact a necessary part of struggle.
The difference in our views lies in how important or how far a party must go for feminist agitation. I'm not sure what the racial climate is in Australia, however My theory is: in a immigrant country such as America, there needs to be sub sects of a party dedicated to Major ethnic groups and women, and bring to these races the answer to their oppression being socialism. The reason for this is to play off of the bourgeois- ideology of Racism and focus it in a positive way that both degenerates racism and agitates these races to come together under the common banner of Marxism. These sects would work under the main party which focuses on strictly proletarian revolution, and Marxist ideology.

IN CONCLUSION

Gracchvs stop BAWWing you're not stupid and
I am nothing like M-Mann so ******** YOU!

The retribution has already begun. You think about that. Also, if i hurt you I apologize. The truth is I miss you deeply. Why don't you talk to us anymore :[

I live in a place without Internet is why. Also my numerous personas on the NCS chat are banned by Gracchvs.

Play nice children >_>

I was talking about the hostility of Kot towards Mann. But that was because of Mann's hostility toward Gracchvs. Anyway. Let them quarrel. One of them will kill each other with an ice-axe eventually.