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 Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:26 am
I think that music and politics should not be as closely intertwined/associated with one another as they are now, only because I think in some ways punk music has the potential to ruin political groups or even movements.
For example, in this country punk rock is closely associated with the anarchist movement. It influences the aesthetic, content, direction and rhetoric of many of its aspects, from demographic make-ups of anarchist groups to "anarchist" (usually "punk hangout") spaces, to @'ist literature and projects. I feel like this has alienated a lot of people who are not into punk music, older folks, people of color (who make up a very small minority of the punk scene and not coincidentally, the anarchist *scene*), parents who don't wanna bring they kids to an event that's gonna have a lotta drunk punks hanging around, and so on.
Also I feel like the punk scene has a lot of, should I say, "bad habits" (from drug addiction to laziness to apathy to this whole "OMG I'm so kewl and anti-PC I'm gonna get a swastika tattoo and call you '******' ironically LOLZ" attitude) that, when passed on to local political groups, can really stagnate the progress these groups hope to make and ruin connections between the political groups and their community.
A centuries-old political movement such as anarchism (and all the ideals it holds such as gender equality, anti-racism and environmentalism) is too important to have its fate intertwined with the appeal of something as fleeting and trivial as a music subculture. Not that I don't like punk, or political punk, or don't like the punk community being involved in anarchism (or whatever specific political movement floats yer boat), I just think that we need to infuse politics in this country with more outside influences other than punk; that we need to make this kinda s**t accessible, interesting, appealing and welcoming to non-punks. Cuz in a lot of cases, it really is not.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 5:54 pm
Anarchism is a centuries old political movement that's gone through plenty of subculture changes. Pot smoking poets and bomb-tossin' commies, musicians of various stripes, tree hugging hippies and other transient counter-culture fads have been involved in Anarchy. As a political movement no other is so attractive to social deviants and it will remain so as it progresses and matures with the time allowed to so many other political ideologies. Punk is hardly going to be fatal, and many collectives put a distinguished effort into making their infoshops feel less like "some stupid punk space."
Punk rock has the potential to expose your list of ideals to people who might otherwise have turned into yuppie twincs with cubicle jobs. There are wide varieties of anarchist writings (fictional and non), anarchist movies, and anarchist social groups. There are even anarchist musicians who don't play punk rock (ex. The Layabouts).
Music hasn't given Anarchy a bad name. Brick throwers and tractor bombers and holier-than-thou elitism gives Anarchy a bad name. Not to mention the fact that its nigh impossible to divorce a conception of anarchists outside of America-hatin' pretentious whiners. The spirit of revolt is very prominent among anti-authoritarians, which is challenging to a culture with such a strong emphasis on maintaining the status quo. Punk rock certainly hasn't helped to erase that stigma, but it can't be held accountable either.
Seperating music and politics wouldn't necessarily be proactive in making our movement appealing. Based on your own assumptions about how many people have been attracted to Anarchism by punk I might even have to suggest that downplaying the connection between the two would have a detrimental effect on using a grassroots approach towards building a real revolution. Anarchists of all kinds need to develop more marketable methods of confrontation and propagation before we lop off any appendages.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:41 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:12 pm
doesnt have to be politics, it can be, but theres no prerequisite.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:41 pm
kcy_210 doesnt have to be politics, it can be, but theres no prerequisite. Thanks for reading the discussion before asserting your irrelevant opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:02 pm
Famicommie kcy_210 doesnt have to be politics, it can be, but theres no prerequisite. Thanks for reading the discussion before asserting your irrelevant opinion. my pleasure, and you should be thanking captain morgan, not me.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:12 pm
I used to drink that stuff all the time. I dunno, as I've gotten older I've drifted from liquor and mostly drink fohties of OEatehunned. Costs two dollars at the corner party store. Ripped through four of those things last night.
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