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 Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:40 am
i_heart_ron I got a Red-Hen inspired thought: if Fawkes were to show affection or trust for Snape, Harry'd have to. How would Fawkes do that? He left never to return. It was written plain as day at Dumbledore's funeral. But it was an interesting thought. Red Hen is that essay site, right? The one you gave us a link to for that long essay about the seacave and the mythology behind it?
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:28 pm
yes; the image stuck with me, from an chess essay called " Endgame".
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:16 am
i_heart_ron yes; the image stuck with me, from an chess essay called " Endgame". Quoted to make the link work.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:49 pm
Acidic Cynic i_heart_ron yes; the image stuck with me, from an chess essay called " Endgame". Quoted to make the link work. Thanks! links hate me lately here; they work in previews, but not when they get posted. Or if I go straight to posting, and then need to edit, they'll fail me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:41 pm
Forgive me if any of these reasons have been stated before, but...
I believe Snape is a good guy, without a doubt. Maybe it's just because I've always rooted for him (I have a tendancy to root for the seemingly-evil person in books...x3 wink from the beginning, but there actually are reasons why I think he's good.
First, the line in HBP that says Voldemort is the most accomplished Legilimens-- well, Snape is the most accomplished Occlumens. Or, at least, that's how Dumbledore was making it out in OotP. Wouldn't he then have a good chance of fooling Beatrix and Narcissa into thinking he's on their side?
Also, he finally got the DADA position. Personally, I think Dumbedore's known something about what would happen, and fabricated the whole "one-year curse" himself, at least partially. I think he hired Lupin because he knew people would find out about him being a werewolf, and, well... Moody probably wouldn't have stayed even if he hadn't been polyjuiced. Umbridge obviously wasn't staying, and Firenze was just a temp. He finally gave Snape the position because he knew he would be leaving. At least, that's what I think. He and Snape had known, at least in part, what was going to happen, and they knew that Snape would have to leave after that year.
Also, Dumbledore reiterates all throughout the books, and especially in HBP, that he trusts Snape. Implicitly. Think about it. He kept watch over Tom (Voldemort) when everyone liked and trusted him, but trusts Snape, whom everyone distrusts and dislikes.
There are other points I have, as well, but I am pressed for time. I will be back to share them with you all later x3;
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:05 am
ilovemm
First, the line in HBP that says Voldemort is the most accomplished Legilimens-- well, Snape is the most accomplished Occlumens. Or, at least, that's how Dumbledore was making it out in OotP. Wouldn't he then have a good chance of fooling Beatrix and Narcissa into thinking he's on their side?
Also, he finally got the DADA position. Personally, I think Dumbedore's known something about what would happen, and fabricated the whole "one-year curse" himself, at least partially. I think he hired Lupin because he knew people would find out about him being a werewolf, and, well... Moody probably wouldn't have stayed even if he hadn't been polyjuiced. Umbridge obviously wasn't staying, and Firenze was just a temp. He finally gave Snape the position because he knew he would be leaving. At least, that's what I think. He and Snape had known, at least in part, what was going to happen, and they knew that Snape would have to leave after that year.
Also, Dumbledore reiterates all throughout the books, and especially in HBP, that he trusts Snape. Implicitly. Think about it. He kept watch over Tom (Voldemort) when everyone liked and trusted him, but trusts Snape, whom everyone distrusts and dislikes.
Yes I completely agree that Snape could fool anyone into thinking he was on their side... as a comment previous mentioned that he could kill a Death Eater to prove his innocence... maybe he killed Dumbledore partially to prove he was on Voldemort's side? *Note* Firenze was a divination teacher Also Voldemort cursed the DADA position ever since Dumbledore denied it from him as week found out in HBP... Yes Dumbledore has constantly said he trusts Snape as we have been reminded by many characters... If we don't trust Snape then we don't trust Dumbledore's judgement... As Harry states in HBP that Dumbledore himself makes mistakes and Dumbledore said that when he does make mistakes they tend to be rather large ones... Now the question remains... is Snape evil or not? However much I would like to see Snape die because he is an evil slimy git that I like to refer to as the 'Grease Master' I cannot deny the fact that Dumbledore has trusted him, and he has done nothing other than kill Dumbledore that has pointed to him being evil. Even his loathing of Harry can be explained by the hatred of Harry's father James. I think J.K. would be too obvious to say that Snape is evil and that is it... yes there are people on both sides of the argument - some will be wrong and others will be right... that is the way it goes... we will never find out until the 7th book is released and J.K. can even decide not to tell us... though she wont out of fear for her personal safety from her fans... lol
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:21 pm
Snape is not good.People who read the 6th book will know this reason
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:02 am
Alemontes Snape is not good.People who read the 6th book will know this reason ...Or people who read the 6th book will try and find arguments saying that Snape is good, which has happened. >_>;
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:31 pm
Alemontes Snape is not good.People who read the 6th book will know this reason
Snape is good. Anyone who knows how to read between the lines in the 6th will know this reason.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:37 pm
Alemontes Snape is not good.People who read the 6th book will know this reason First, anyone who is in this guild HAS read the 6th book (or has lied and said they did!) Snape HAD TO kill Dumbledore. You would, perhaps, rather that the Potions Master drop dead of the Unbreakable Vow, while Greyback tore out the throats of a weakened Dumbledore and the hesitant Draco? And then what when Harry was released from his body-bind? In any case, Dumbledore knew it was his time. Back when he visited the Dursleys, appointed a former Slytherin to become Head of House, and began passing along his knowledge to Harry. HE KNEW. He planned to die before the year was up, before Harry came of age. He told Harry that his blood, and later that his life, were not valuable, or important. He ordered Harry to feed him that potion, and Harry's loyalty was such that he followed those orders. Maybe the injury he sustained while discovering and destroying the Horcrux in Marvolo's ring was mortal. Maybe the contents of the basin were an incurable poison, and Harry actually murdered Dumbledore. Maybe he had conspired with Snape, and mybe he did not. Incidentally, either way, I think that Snape is the ONLY Hogwarts professor loyal enough to Dumbledore that he could follow that particular order.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:48 pm
During my process of re-reading the 6th book I came across something that poked my brain... evidence which may point to a 'Dumbledore-knew-Snape-would-kill-him-and-advised-him-to-do-it Theory'. On page 380 it's written about the argument Snape had with Dumbledore... now this may sound a little far-fetched and a weak argument but very possible one... basically it COULD mean that Snape knew that Dumbledore would die and didn't want to do play along with the Death Eaters as a spy anymore to prevent Dumbledore's death but Dumbledore knew and wanted him too... okay okay I know many will not believe this and might try to put it down but just think about it... it is possible...
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:21 am
Liadan_Black During my process of re-reading the 6th book I came across something that poked my brain... evidence which may point to a 'Dumbledore-knew-Snape-would-kill-him-and-advised-him-to-do-it Theory'. On page 380 it's written about the argument Snape had with Dumbledore... now this may sound a little far-fetched and a weak argument but very possible one... basically it COULD mean that Snape knew that Dumbledore would die and didn't want to do play along with the Death Eaters as a spy anymore to prevent Dumbledore's death but Dumbledore knew and wanted him too... okay okay I know many will not believe this and might try to put it down but just think about it... it is possible... Someone just wrote a very long and well-reasoned and well-argued essay on LiveJournal arguing for this exact point...I will try and hunt it down for you. No, you are not mad.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:22 pm
ilovemm Alemontes Snape is not good.People who read the 6th book will know this reason
Snape is good. Anyone who knows how to read between the lines in the 6th will know this reason.Oh is he? That may be your oppinion that he's good but I wouldn't state it as fact just yet. I've read between the lines. And I still find the Snape-is-good argument flawed.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:51 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:05 pm
or if he is evil he could leak information about dumbledore and the order to voldemort eek
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