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 Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:27 pm
HistoryWak tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar HistoryWak I think they all bring something different to the Joker character that makes them all great in their own way. You liberal hippie! mrgreen Oh, and I absolutely echo the sentiments of Drinky McViking. Hey, Arvis. Remember how when I joined the sticky we used to all be rockstars? Tango, can't you at least be bothered to make an effort to say things that make sense? Context is important, friend. Don't just chuck it for the sake of pointless brevity. In other words: what the crap are you on about this time? . One of them has the avatars of HistoryWak and Canis at the time the guild was made. Then, it hit me. You and I are the only rockstars left, Arvis. Except for Wak, who was pretty much a hippie all along. And no, I cannot be bothered, but I'd like to see you try, That would amuse me. Post it. cool  Even as a hippie, you had plenty of rockstar in you back then.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:52 pm
tangocat777 HistoryWak tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Hey, Arvis. Remember how when I joined the sticky we used to all be rockstars? Tango, can't you at least be bothered to make an effort to say things that make sense? Context is important, friend. Don't just chuck it for the sake of pointless brevity. In other words: what the crap are you on about this time? . One of them has the avatars of HistoryWak and Canis at the time the guild was made. Then, it hit me. You and I are the only rockstars left, Arvis. Except for Wak, who was pretty much a hippie all along. And no, I cannot be bothered, but I'd like to see you try, That would amuse me. Post it. cool Even as a hippie, you had plenty of rockstar in you back then. Haha yes I remember that. xD @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:58 pm
HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:58 pm
Mr Jawes HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them. Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:02 pm
Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them. Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:32 pm
HistoryWak Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them. Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD Yeah, I understand that, I don't consider the family friendly batman to be the true setting. It became that because of heavy censorship for comic books. Bob Kane's original intentions for the characters. I'm a well seasoned comic nerd, I do know my way around all this.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:40 pm
Drinky McIrish HistoryWak Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them. Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD Yeah, I understand that, I don't consider the family friendly batman to be the true setting. It became that because of heavy censorship for comic books. Bob Kane's original intentions for the characters. I'm a well seasoned comic nerd, I do know my way around all this. Well I guess we have to have every kind of nerd in this guild lol Okay, Drinky, I don't remember the history for sure, so I want you to set me straight. All three Robins, their names, and when did Robin #2 get murdered?
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:37 pm
Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish HistoryWak Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes HistoryWak @Joker discussion: I realized that Heath, Jack, and Cesar all portrayed Joker the way the character was at the time. The Joker in the comic books of the 50s + 60s isn't the same Joker in comics the 80s or the same as the Joker in comics of the 00s. Well comic books really do follow the audiences. Captain America has seen his fair share of redefinitions as the world has needed him, and I don't think that any super hero is an exception. One of the trends over the last fifty years is that media has become more active, explicit, and--as a result--darker and more violent. While we're on the subject--and I should warn that I am no comic book expert--but apparently DC does this "multiple universe" thing, in which all of their heroes from every era exist at the same time, but all are of different personality and have unique traits. While this seems cheap on one hand (allowing any number of iterations of the same thing), it does allow the most famous heroes to be reused as the world needs them. Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD Yeah, I understand that, I don't consider the family friendly batman to be the true setting. It became that because of heavy censorship for comic books. Bob Kane's original intentions for the characters. I'm a well seasoned comic nerd, I do know my way around all this. Well I guess we have to have every kind of nerd in this guild lol Okay, Drinky, I don't remember the history for sure, so I want you to set me straight. All three Robins, their names, and when did Robin #2 get murdered? d**k Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly (if you subscribe to Frank Millers universe). Jason Todd was killed by the Joker, or more ultimately by the fans of the comics because DC held a poll at the end of one issue for fans to decide if he lives or dies. Of course, in the comic universe, no one dies. He came back, just like Bucky, Colossus, and soon Captain America.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:55 pm
Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish HistoryWak Drinky McIrish Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD Yeah, I understand that, I don't consider the family friendly batman to be the true setting. It became that because of heavy censorship for comic books. Bob Kane's original intentions for the characters. I'm a well seasoned comic nerd, I do know my way around all this. Well I guess we have to have every kind of nerd in this guild lol Okay, Drinky, I don't remember the history for sure, so I want you to set me straight. All three Robins, their names, and when did Robin #2 get murdered? d**k Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly (if you subscribe to Frank Millers universe). Jason Todd was killed by the Joker, or more ultimately by the fans of the comics because DC held a poll at the end of one issue for fans to decide if he lives or dies. Of course, in the comic universe, no one dies. He came back, just like Bucky, Colossus, and soon Captain America. Gotcha. I think I heard of a Batman universe where Robin was female, but had never really seen anything... I did know, however, about d**k Grayson and Tim Drake (having grown up with a decent animated series and all). I don't remember ever seeing Jason Todd in my personal Batman experience, but d**k Grayson is the obvious, important one, as he became Nightwing, and Cartoon Network ran Teen Titans for a LONG time with Tim Drake as Robin. I do like the idea of Nightwing in a movie, though...he might be a very interesting point of conflict in Chris Nolan's universe...
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:24 pm
Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish HistoryWak Drinky McIrish Marvel uses the multiple universe theory too, it's a lazy way for them to bring back characters that other writers have killed off... Different writers put their own spin on the characters, and yes, the audience at the time does help define that... However, originally, The Joker was quite a murderer, in his first three appearances he killed something like 15 people. Then they made him more kid friendly, which lasted till the late 70's when Batman started to grow darker again.That's where I was getting that. xD Yeah, I understand that, I don't consider the family friendly batman to be the true setting. It became that because of heavy censorship for comic books. Bob Kane's original intentions for the characters. I'm a well seasoned comic nerd, I do know my way around all this. Well I guess we have to have every kind of nerd in this guild lol Okay, Drinky, I don't remember the history for sure, so I want you to set me straight. All three Robins, their names, and when did Robin #2 get murdered? d**k Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly (if you subscribe to Frank Millers universe). Jason Todd was killed by the Joker, or more ultimately by the fans of the comics because DC held a poll at the end of one issue for fans to decide if he lives or dies. Of course, in the comic universe, no one dies. He came back, just like Bucky, Colossus, and soon Captain America. Gotcha. I think I heard of a Batman universe where Robin was female, but had never really seen anything... I did know, however, about d**k Grayson and Tim Drake (having grown up with a decent animated series and all). I don't remember ever seeing Jason Todd in my personal Batman experience, but d**k Grayson is the obvious, important one, as he became Nightwing, and Cartoon Network ran Teen Titans for a LONG time with Tim Drake as Robin. I do like the idea of Nightwing in a movie, though...he might be a very interesting point of conflict in Chris Nolan's universe... To tell you the truth, I am very excited to see where Nolan takes the franchise with this whole Batman on the run aspect.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:03 pm
Drinky McIrish To tell you the truth, I am very excited to see where Nolan takes the franchise with this whole Batman on the run aspect. I'm not so sure I like where we are...not that it is anyone's fault. Dark Knight was SO good, and with the death of the Joker, that burns the best bridge that we could have taken, or at least we have lost a major player in the story to drive the conflict. Without any recognizable characters on the villain side, I see a third movie being very difficult to make good, and almost impossible to top its predecessor. On the bright side, if this next installment follows the disillusionment trend that Spider-Man, Pirates, and X-Men started, Dark Knight has a solid ending, and we could always pretend that Dark Knight is the last movie mrgreen
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:20 pm
Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish To tell you the truth, I am very excited to see where Nolan takes the franchise with this whole Batman on the run aspect. I'm not so sure I like where we are...not that it is anyone's fault. Dark Knight was SO good, and with the death of the Joker, that burns the best bridge that we could have taken, or at least we have lost a major player in the story to drive the conflict. Without any recognizable characters on the villain side, I see a third movie being very difficult to make good, and almost impossible to top its predecessor. On the bright side, if this next installment follows the disillusionment trend that Spider-Man, Pirates, and X-Men started, Dark Knight has a solid ending, and we could always pretend that Dark Knight is the last movie mrgreen The awesome thing about how they ended TDK, is that they don't NEED The Joker to propel the story along. There is enough to go off of in regards to the Outlaw Batman concept to keep thing interesting with lesser villains. Two-Face had potential, but really, going with someone like The Riddler, Catwoman, or even folk like The Penguin/ The Ventriloquist could make for a good story if Batman is needing to resist both the public, and the criminal underworld. Will it top Dark Knight? I doubt it... Nolan set a really high bar to vault, and the death of Ledger will not make it easier. But people doubted the casting of Ledger, and I have faith in Nolans talent to do his best.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:55 am
Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish To tell you the truth, I am very excited to see where Nolan takes the franchise with this whole Batman on the run aspect. I'm not so sure I like where we are...not that it is anyone's fault. Dark Knight was SO good, and with the death of the Joker, that burns the best bridge that we could have taken, or at least we have lost a major player in the story to drive the conflict. Without any recognizable characters on the villain side, I see a third movie being very difficult to make good, and almost impossible to top its predecessor. On the bright side, if this next installment follows the disillusionment trend that Spider-Man, Pirates, and X-Men started, Dark Knight has a solid ending, and we could always pretend that Dark Knight is the last movie mrgreen The awesome thing about how they ended TDK, is that they don't NEED The Joker to propel the story along. There is enough to go off of in regards to the Outlaw Batman concept to keep thing interesting with lesser villains. Two-Face had potential, but really, going with someone like The Riddler, Catwoman, or even folk like The Penguin/ The Ventriloquist could make for a good story if Batman is needing to resist both the public, and the criminal underworld. Will it top Dark Knight? I doubt it... Nolan set a really high bar to vault, and the death of Ledger will not make it easier. But people doubted the casting of Ledger, and I have faith in Nolans talent to do his best. That's true. We've had the villain discussion, and he has a lot to choose from. I think that the Riddler is a pretty solid bet...and now that I think about it, The Riddler is a narcissist. That alone would work well with a criminal Batman. While the public--and maybe even the mobsters--are blaming Batman for crimes, the Riddle could just escalate his own actions trying to make sure that people know that it is the work of the RIDDLER and not Batman that's causing trouble.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:48 pm
Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish To tell you the truth, I am very excited to see where Nolan takes the franchise with this whole Batman on the run aspect. I'm not so sure I like where we are...not that it is anyone's fault. Dark Knight was SO good, and with the death of the Joker, that burns the best bridge that we could have taken, or at least we have lost a major player in the story to drive the conflict. Without any recognizable characters on the villain side, I see a third movie being very difficult to make good, and almost impossible to top its predecessor. On the bright side, if this next installment follows the disillusionment trend that Spider-Man, Pirates, and X-Men started, Dark Knight has a solid ending, and we could always pretend that Dark Knight is the last movie mrgreen The awesome thing about how they ended TDK, is that they don't NEED The Joker to propel the story along. There is enough to go off of in regards to the Outlaw Batman concept to keep thing interesting with lesser villains. Two-Face had potential, but really, going with someone like The Riddler, Catwoman, or even folk like The Penguin/ The Ventriloquist could make for a good story if Batman is needing to resist both the public, and the criminal underworld. Will it top Dark Knight? I doubt it... Nolan set a really high bar to vault, and the death of Ledger will not make it easier. But people doubted the casting of Ledger, and I have faith in Nolans talent to do his best. That's true. We've had the villain discussion, and he has a lot to choose from. I think that the Riddler is a pretty solid bet...and now that I think about it, The Riddler is a narcissist. That alone would work well with a criminal Batman. While the public--and maybe even the mobsters--are blaming Batman for crimes, the Riddle could just escalate his own actions trying to make sure that people know that it is the work of the RIDDLER and not Batman that's causing trouble. Very true, and with the absence of a Love Interest, adding Selena Kyle into the mix could allow for an interesting conflict. I still would love to see The Ventriloquist show up in the movies, especially with the void that needs to be filled with all the major crime families leadership dead. The toughest thing that Nolan would need to overcome if he goes with The Riddler is trying to set him distinctly apart from The Joker. If they aren't careful with it, and if they don't get the right guy, than they could undermine how great of a Villain The Riddler really is.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:08 pm
I'm not much of a comic nerd...or movie nerd...or anything. I don't even know the names of the songs or bands of most of the music I listen to. >.> So I'm bad when it cames to names and who does what, but when it comes to live action gotta say Heath was a really good Joker. Been forever since I've seen any of the animated stuff though.
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