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michigami
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:31 am


Aeronn
I really like Zorin's character design, particularly her eyes. So...goatish! xd

Seriously, my main attraction to the Hellsing series was the way he draws eyes. ninja

(...)

And....are we saying Seras is proportionate? wink


no, we are saying that zorin is all right angles and sharp corners, which is not conducive to making her a likable character from an artistic standpoint. her boobies would poke me and make me bleed if i hugged her, and then she would kill me, ergo da miche shall avoid any fanness towards tha zorin.

and you should go read hirano's gunmania. zorin is almost that dude's clone but with boobs and worse fashion sense.

and seras is the fanboy bait, she has to have jigglies the size of her head or larger, hirano drew porn for the first like decade of his artistic career. it's an unwritten law of manga.

this is also why the fanboy bait and the fangirl bait will of course have to eventually fall in love, have an emo romeo and juliet scene, and the fannies will cry over their clamp-like tragic romance and buy lots of merchandise as it all ends in tears and weird dual personality wackiness and seras sprouting a pip on her shoulder like sephiroth sprouting an extra jenova head and wings in the one form.

and then she takes off into the skies with integra riding her like she-ra on her flying pony of WTF-ness. o_0..... burning_eyes

i don't know, it's after 3:30, and hirano is a strange, strange little man... and yet we adore him and his creations.


...
i still wanted the zeppelin to turn into a gundam. that would have been cool.

and i don't HATE zorin, i just dislike her.

g'night.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:42 am


I think Zorin's the most menacing villain out Millennium. She's vicious, she's reckless, a bit stupid, but has ambition and bite. I like her (more than I like Rip van Winkle anywhoo whose only purpose seems to be get raped in the battlefield). People dislike her for a number of reasons? Beginning by her design. She was hated even before she tortured and mutilated Seras Victoria or made a deadly blow to Pip Bernadotte. If she and Rip were to swap designs, I bet everybody would love her.

Second the fact she "killed" Pip and was "mean" to Seras. Nevermind she was the force that brought them together as couple and made them develop. At this point Pip and Seras fans (like myself) should be grateful. She fixed "Pip's going to age" issue.

Of course, her style of fighting isn't for everyone. But then again, same people are Walter or Alucard fans whose methods are as vicious and cowardly sometimes. Alucard did use illusions on Walter during their fights and it goes without saying the reach of Walter's 'honor'.

I would have to go by her design.

MercifulShahrazad


Aeronn

Waffles

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:45 pm


michigami

no, we are saying that zorin is all right angles and sharp corners, which is not conducive to making her a likable character from an artistic standpoint. her boobies would poke me and make me bleed if i hugged her, and then she would kill me, ergo da miche shall avoid any fanness towards tha zorin.

and you should go read hirano's gunmania. zorin is almost that dude's clone but with boobs and worse fashion sense.


Ah, I see, I see. Most people don't like pointy women. *takes notes* 3nodding
I guess there's no defense for her, then.


I went and (I think) found some of the Gunmania raws, but I dunno, I don't think he carried off the suspenders. Even if they sometimes disappear in battle...
But maybe suspenders are another thing I don't know about? ninja
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:43 pm


Aeronn
michigami

no, we are saying that zorin is all right angles and sharp corners, which is not conducive to making her a likable character from an artistic standpoint. her boobies would poke me and make me bleed if i hugged her, and then she would kill me, ergo da miche shall avoid any fanness towards tha zorin.

and you should go read hirano's gunmania. zorin is almost that dude's clone but with boobs and worse fashion sense.


Ah, I see, I see. Most people don't like pointy women. *takes notes* 3nodding
I guess there's no defense for her, then.


I went and (I think) found some of the Gunmania raws, but I dunno, I don't think he carried off the suspenders. Even if they sometimes disappear in battle...
But maybe suspenders are another thing I don't know about? ninja


the question is, who has more pointy boobies; Zorin Blitz or Kim Possible?

PCB Alice Margatroid


Le Black Lace

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:35 am


I don't hate her but I'm not exactly a fan of hers.
She doesn't fight fair and she has that kind of attitude that makes you almost want to dislike her.
I do feel a bit sorry for her though, she seems kinda messed up. :/
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:15 pm


MercifulShaharazad
If she and Rip were to swap designs, I bet everybody would love her.


I AGREE, especially since there are people who only like Rip because she would make a hawt lesbian or something. )8

I personally don't find Zorin to be ugly at all. Sometimes Hirano did get carried away with drawing the neck/trapezius/collar bone area with her though. Then again, Hirano gets carried away with drawing EVERYTHING.

The only reason I can find to dislike her is that she is evil and a b***h at times.

PS: Her voice in OVA IV was COOOOL, imo.

Atomu


Suni moon
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:39 am


I second your words about her voice. 3nodding

Both her japanese and english VA's are damn spiffy. >.<


However.. I WEEP OVER YOUR COMMENT ON RIP FANS. crying
We like her as more than just a hawt lesbo.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:42 pm


Suni moon
However.. I WEEP OVER YOUR COMMENT ON RIP FANS. crying
We like her as more than just a hawt lesbo.


But luckily none such people are very active in this guild. 3nodding

At least none that I've seen. I'm not all that active anymore. >_>

Atomu


Cod Fish Queen

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:38 pm


I was Zorin for Ota08
http://www.cosplay.com/member/106613/
I don't have the actual cons pictures up yet. xD
-FAIL-
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:56 pm


I quite like Zorin Blitz, actually, although i was a pip fan...
i really don't hate her...just the fact that she kinda works for Heir Major

FemmeOrc

Feral Ladykiller


PCB Alice Margatroid

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:57 pm


but EVERYONE works for Major whether they want to or not *shot*

Anyway, I guess I would list Zorin on the low list of most characters. She has an awesome design, but... her character traits are so low, (even for Jan and Alucard. Jan, he's a jerk and proud of it, and Alucard's a monster, but Zorin, Zorin is just brutal and is quasi-unfair)

Not to mention the constant ZorinxRip, it's almost as annoying as CaptainxRip.... there's no connection at all......

-_- Oh Rip, how you've been tarnished...
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:21 pm


Autopilot A-113
but EVERYONE works for Major whether they want to or not *shot*

Anyway, I guess I would list Zorin on the low list of most characters. She has an awesome design, but... her character traits are so low, (even for Jan and Alucard. Jan, he's a jerk and proud of it, and Alucard's a monster, but Zorin, Zorin is just brutal and is quasi-unfair)

Not to mention the constant ZorinxRip, it's almost as annoying as CaptainxRip.... there's no connection at all......

-_- Oh Rip, how you've been tarnished...


At least CaptainxRip and ZorinxRip are better then... DandyxRip. cry

Suni moon
Crew


PCB Alice Margatroid

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:36 pm


Suni moon
Autopilot A-113
but EVERYONE works for Major whether they want to or not *shot*

Anyway, I guess I would list Zorin on the low list of most characters. She has an awesome design, but... her character traits are so low, (even for Jan and Alucard. Jan, he's a jerk and proud of it, and Alucard's a monster, but Zorin, Zorin is just brutal and is quasi-unfair)

Not to mention the constant ZorinxRip, it's almost as annoying as CaptainxRip.... there's no connection at all......

-_- Oh Rip, how you've been tarnished...


At least CaptainxRip and ZorinxRip are better then... DandyxRip. cry


D'awww.... but Erin makes DandyxRip look so cute! (at least I think so....)

Then again, I like the 1940s soot suits...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:06 am


Well, if we want to determine why so many people hate Zorin, we must first examine Zorin's character.


What makes Zorin different?

Zorin is a pop culture reference. She's the stereotypical sexually aggressive lesbian Nazi. Her sexual preference, heavily implied even visually, is made explicit in the good old BoH scanslations. In Volume 7, when Pip slaps her with the butt of his rifle, he tells it like it is, calling her taureau gouine, which is French for "bull dyke" (unfortunately, the Dark Horse version waters it down to "hag"). Her sexual aggressiveness is made evident in the way that she's always walking around with her trousers undone. Zorin is also the most foul-mouthed character in Hellsing. Again, this is made explicit in the good old BoH scanslations (the Dark Horse version pretties up her language).


How did Zorin get into Millennium?

Although it was unusual, a few such women did get into the Nazi movement here and there, though they certainly weren't welcome and were liable to be thrown out if detected. Some female camp guards (such as Irma Grese) were known to sexually abuse female prisoners (of course, there were far fewer women like that than popular culture suggests). Zorin was probably one of those women who were just too talented to be ignored by the regime (like Hanna Reitsch and Leni Riefenstahl). In spite of her "anti-social" behavior, Zorin is too big, too strong, and too badass to ignore. She has the perfect Nazi mentality, too.

From what we know about the Major, we can safely assume that he is always willing to look outside strict party rules and regulations to find the personnel he needs. With an order from his Füher backing him, he could almost always get away with it.


Where did Zorin come from?

Zorin is probably from Eastern Germany (Prussia, Pomerania and so on). Her weapon, the scythe, indicates that she may have been, originally, a farm girl. Such scythes are good for harvesting grain crops like wheat, and Eastern Germany is the biggest wheat farming region in the country. The whole Nazi "blood-and-soil" thing was very popular out there. Zorin is Brünhilde, the strong, earthy peasant woman type, the kind who could have been a warrior's wife in ancient Germany (Walter Darre would have loved her).

Her name also hints at her origin. "Zorin" comes from the old Teutonic name "Soren," which means "stern." Zorin is the Slavic spelling of that name. There was some ethnic mixing in Eastern Germany, and you did get plenty of Germans with Slavic names. However, Soren/Zorin is a male name. So Zorin is a girl with a guy's name hung around her neck (and spelled in the Slavic style to boot). I would guess that her dad either wanted a son or that he didn't like the daughter he got. Maybe he just wanted to make her tough (which she obviously is). In any case, it's all a part of the gender-bending theme that prevails among many of Hirano's female characters.

It's also likely that Zorin came from the lower levels of society, possibly the peasantry.


What about Zorin's past?

Zorin probably got off the farm as soon as she could. Her cynicism and gleeful degeneracy are very urban. She probably ran off to Berlin and messed around. She has a strong sense of the late-Weimar cabaret-style decadence about her. She's probably older than Rip. She may be just old enough to have brawled beside the SA in the dying days of Weimar. That's certainly the type of Nazi she is, an Altekampfer who learnt her ideology in the streets, who relishes fighting, drinking, and screwing. If she was male, she'd have been one of Ernst Roehm's best buddies. Like many such Nazis, Zorin might very well have a criminal record.

She probably got a lot more combat experience than Rip did in the big war (which may explain where she was during The Dawn). She's definitely a far better combat leader than Rip is. She reacts quickly to changing tactical situations and she keeps her unit's morale high. Her bid to take the Hellsing Mansion only fails by an eyelash. The Major simply needs someone to blame when a part of his plan goes wrong, and he chose Zorin as his scapegoat (Hitler did the same sort of thing).

Zorin is one of the Major's top people. She seems to be in charge of the Werwolf group at Jaburo when the Major's away, and she is their spokesman to the generals.


What about Zorin's personality?

Zorin's much brighter than most people tend to think. She has the street smarts that Rip lacks. The runes tattooed all over her body are said (in Norse mythology) to bestow knowledge and power, and Zorin has both. She knows the evil that lurks in people's hearts and she knows how to use it against them. She probably already had that talent before she got her magical abilities. She's a master manipulator.

In spite of appearances, Zorin is the least twisted, most direct member of Millennium; she's there for the simple, brutal fun of it.

Here are a list of words that accurately describe Zorin's personality: earthy, happy, funny, fun-loving, fearless, daring, deceptive, manipulative, cruel, contemptuous, sensuous, sadistic, smart, cynical, lewd, cocky, confident, competent, self-sufficient, outspoken, unreflective, adaptable, anti-intellectual, athletic, realistic.


When we look beyond Zorin's strange design, we find a character who relishes in bloody, brutal battles. In light of this fact, it's easy to see that she's certainly not an easy character to like. She seems to have more bad points than good ones. In the end, it's all a matter of preference.

I happen to think that Zorin is an incredibly interesting character, and that's that.

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PCB Alice Margatroid

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:15 pm


And also, I think Zorin got her awesome ways of messing with peoples minds by watching this youtube movie...

Zorin makes a video game

But that's just me....
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