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But it is a truly terrible corporation that, again, promotes violence and hatred. And imagine this- America gets invaded by Russia, to keep tabs on us and to keep us from policing the world anymore. They have soldiers stationed in our home towns, and every now and then a bomber goes through and bombs suspected "insurgents", often hitting incorrect targets or killing civilians in the process. How do you feel about the situation? How will you feel towards the invaders? If you feel like fighting back, then you now know what it is like to be an insurgent. It's all a matter of perspective.

But you don't need to contribute. Some things are worse than others. Creating a business in a crappy system isn't a wonderful thing, but it's not bad either. Stealing other people's work, using hostile takeovers of other companies and lobbying to change laws to make yourself more money IS bad, and is significantly worse. Playing into the system isn't wrong until you're harming others, and the amount you harm others determines how wrong it is. And war certainly harms others, as well as ourselves. A lot.

So then kill me and tell them that peace got me nothing. It will be a hollow victory, since you know I have done nothing wrong, and presented only a way to get on a path of harmony for all. I that is an offense suitable for death, then so be it.

America is a bunch of dicks- So don't promote the dickery. Don't make our enemies hate us more. The only resolution is peace. Because even if we kill every terrorist on earth, that will just piss off their family and friends and turn them on us as well. Or those affected by civilian casualties will turn against us. War wins US nothing. It wins General Electric and Boeing a lot, but you and I? It just causes us blind hatred, for both sides. Think from behind a veil of ignorance- If you have an equal chance of being an American or an Afghani, would you still support going to war and bombing Afghanistan?

So how does violence change a social trend? It just makes them hate more, since they see the violence by the other side. To think that violence promotes peace is foolishness.

It's not about communism alone, it's about being a decent person and seeing through the bullshit. The war industry is bullshit. I don't care if you're a communist or not, the fact is that people are dying for no real reason. The fact is that war promotes hatred and greed. Being a communist, I thought you should be able to see through their crap.

You say you grew up in poverty? That's what they like. They aim for immigrants and the poor. People who they assume are just uneducated enough to fall for their games and just poor enough to not mind doing what they're told. (For their country to boot). So does falling into their trap make you a bad person? Considering that you show the critical thought to break free of the capitalist system, I would say yes, at least partially.

That's not the point. Wether or not it's happening doesn't mean you have to support it. And we can win with logic- If we can turn their minds, we can win. And not the minds of the leaders, but the minds of the workers. national strike from corporations will destroy the economy, with not a drop of blood spilled. A war effort will just be crushed, and the would-be usurpers would be called common soviet communists, with no lesson learned. Move along workers, nothing to see here, just another anti-american terrorist.

They attack us because we attack them. We are and were at war with them, at least indirectly, by aiding Israel. So now, imagine that in the russia scenario, our allies in europe bomb russia- This is similar to 9/11, allies bombing enemies of allies. They hate us because of what we do and what we have done. We only stir the pot. And the war contractors love it, by the way.

And that IS the trap. They give you no other options. Just like the minimum-wage factory workers. Desperate enough to work there, and uneducated enough not to revolt. It's exactly what they like, and they've turned it into a science.

Buying from a store is not like actually signing up to join them. But, yes, I do agree that it sucks that my work also aids terrible things, though to a lesser extent. Which is why I'm trying to tear down this system, so stupid things like economy don't exist to fuel stupid wars and cause stupid hatred.

If we pull out of a sovereign nation we invaded, we are not defeated. We lose nothing from pulling out but our bloodthirsty, hateful, warmongering reputation. But I think that's a loss we could deal with. That and what are we fighting for in Iraq? Our freedom? Their freedom? Apple pie? Bald eagles? Democracy? I like how we set up a dictator, only to bomb him later, and send in soldiers to force democracy. That's like, quintuple irony.

And I have dozens of quotes I could bring up- "Bombings won't Justify bombings, death will not justify death" "Beat their swords into plowshares" "As they barter their boulders and martyr their soldiers".

Oh, war is fine. If, and only if you are defending yourself on your territory. Bombing sovereign nations to give them democracy is not good enough. Nor is retaliation by killing more civilians (true story, the subsequent bombings of Afghanistan after 9/11 killed more civilians than died in 9/11 itself) good enough reason.

I think our role is very over-played. We really only jumped in at the last moment, and only when japan bombed us first. And even then, we went to Germany. There was an epic Robot Chicken retelling in which the nations are all school kids, and Hitler kills poland and steals his desk, and then starts killing all the other classmates and taking their desks. America is sitting there with sunglasses and a milkshake and he's like "It's not my problem!", then a japanese kid comes over and knocks over his shake, and he's like "NOW it's my problem!" But, if we must go back in time, there would have been no industrialized Japan to bomb us and join the Axis had we not forced them to open trade through Commodore Matthew Perry.

You're staring the trap in the face. That is the trap. No other options is what the leaders love. You're driven into a corner by economic pressures. If that's not a trap, I don't know what is.

And that's exactly what we fight- people being born rich, or especially, born poor.

Firstly, it's the military. If you're supporting the military, you're supporting it's actions, and Iraq is it's primary action at the moment. And Israel- Who cares? It's not our problem. It really isn't. If they want to fight over land they left, let them. Honestly, I think Palestine has more rights to the land. I think, of course, they should learn to ******** share, but if one side or the other must have it, I'd say Palestine. Israel left. It's not theirs anymore.

There are shades of grey in everything. Is there a difference between stealing a pencil and shooting a toddler? If so, then there is a difference between working for Petco and working for the Military.

But again, hippie rallies work in a different way. Instead of fueling hate towards the terrorists (Since killing is obviously wrong), it fuels trust toward your side- People will see these peaceful protesters getting arrested or removed, and will be forced to think critically- "Is this right? Is what they are doing really wrong? Do I believe what they say?" In a world where violent opposition is crushed and then spun (As was done with 9/11- Hardly anyone knows WHY Ossama was so pissed. I'd say that about 1/3 of my graduating class STILL thinks Iraq did 9/11), violent protest is not good.

Also, we just don't belong in Iraq. We ******** it up before, we're ******** it up now, and as long as we're in other countries s**t, we'll keep ******** it up. We need to just leave it alone.

Are you the christian here? I forgot, I know one person did mention christianity. If it was you, Christ himself said never to do a good deed so that others may see. Doing it is more than just looking good or getting respect. It's about, again, not harming others for money. It's not even about changing the economy. It's still about common decency and not harming others for money.

I would say that WWI wasn't really justified. It was just a ******** of allies shooting at eachother.

It's a trap for the poor americans, yes! Exactly like the minimum wage or homelessness cycle is a trap. They like you to be low, it gives them desperate workers willing to follow orders.

Iraq wants us out, we didn't belong there in the first place. Were I in control starting now, our people would be home in a week, and only that long because transportation is limited.

They weren't exactly pushed "out", more like to the side. And about 1400 years ago. Their struggle is a separation movement, much like the south trying to free itself from the north in the civil war. But again, instead of ONE SIDE EXCLUSIVELY running the entire place, why can't we just try and get them to share? I mean, really, it's kindergarten stuff here, and we're giving them weapons to fight over it with.

Depends on how we act. If you think I mean that we should all dress in earth colors and pretty beads, park our vans by the river and sing soft songs to congress about peace and change, then you're wrong. We should be angry. We should be pissed. But we should not be violent. We should make speeches, we should talk to people logically and reasonably, put up posters. We should aim for things AGAINST capitalism rather than FOR communism, as republicans will probably put up a mental barrier immediately, and we win nothing.

And peaceful protest has never won? I'm sorry, I must have missed the gat Martin Luther had strapped to his thigh.

Nothing will come of it? Nothing but not furthering death and hatred. Jesus actually DID preach for you to live in sorrow, if the alternative was evil. Or else he would have just run away, rather than take all of that sorrow nailed up on a pair of boards. If your only method of earning a living was killing small children and harvesting their organs for the black market, would you do this? I mean, you don't want to starve... And Jesus doesn't want you to starve. What if you just guarded the building it was done in? Or made the business transactions? Assuming, of course, you're in some place where this is legal. Of course this is different from war, but the idea is the same- Committing evil to save yourself is NOT something Jesus would smile upon. Besides, there ARE other options. You may not like them as much, but you will not risk your soul to do them.

And all of them should be overridden by the fact that the American Military, at least in it's current form, is one of the most terrible forms of evil and capitalism in the world.

And Ossama felt that God called on him to bomb America. So if we're going by God, both of you are right. Oh, and by the way, civilian casualties. Your job my very well involve killing children, intentionally or not. Or if you're a medic, you just might get to clean up the mess. Your way out is death and hatred for the rest of the world.

They bomb us BECAUSE OF US. So, I give some kid you hate a knife so he can slash your tires. You slap me. That's 9/11 on a non-global scale. Our military actions in the PAST caused hate, it wasn't just because they were bored and wanted to ******** with the good guys. So when THESE military actions are the past, that will be the motivation for the NEXT attack. WE FUEL THE HATRED. If we leave and show them that we will stop ******** with them, they will stop ******** with us. They will not trust us for several years, if decades. But eventually, they will have no reason to hate us, at least not the the extent they do now. And it is far more sure, and far less lethal, than continuing to cause reason for hate. If we are only talking, why must we be there? Why can't we send a conference call or something? It's not our country, it's not our job, and as long as we have armed forces in a sovereign country, we are acting as terrorists.

Yes, they misunderstand eachother. As the political leaders like. They both like to cite things, much like southern slave owners citing biblical quotes to justify slavery, that are out of context and inconsequential in their correct context. Both religions are the same, and originally, they all accepted eachother. But both were twisted over land and wealth and grew to assume that they are opposites or worship different Gods. so, we need to push the reasoning, logic, qabbalistic facts and get them to work together. As in, not supplying either weapons.

a lot of people are idiots, true. But that is a problem with people, not a problem the law can enforce. You won't change minds by changing laws, but you can change laws by changing minds.

Stopping our dickery isn't caving in to terrorist demands. So, let's assume in the russia scenario, you are part of a revel group who snipes Russian soldiers because you want them out. If they leave, they're not giving in to terrorism, they're STOPPING terrorism by not invading a sovereign nation. Who is this "They?" Do you assume that all Iraqis are terrorists? Because I thought we were trying for peace with the rational, level-headed equal human beings that are Iraqi civilians. But, since they are all terrorists who will turn on us once we step away, I would suggest immediate holocaust. Unless it could be that the "insurgents" are defending their homeland, IN their homeland, and hate us FOR our continued military actions against them. But no, they just hate our MTV and Malt shops.

Islam was started by Mohammed, well after Abraham. They demographic may have been the same, but before that they could have been only a sect of judaism. And if we are going by the idea of a chosen people, then the jews are right and Christ was wrong, homosexuality is a terrible crime, women practicing sorcery are to be put to death, ham is a hell-bound offense, shrimp and shellfish are also surely to cause you to rot in damnation.
The religions were peaceful before land, gold and politics got in the way. Then the minute details were brought up as religious arguments, as it has been done and is done today, and eventually we all forgot WHAT God is and HOW he wants us to act. Jesus is totally for air-raids over cities, amirite?

So if John steals Tim's pencil, and Tim punches John, and you did NOT give John a knife to fight back with, it's your fault he's getting beat up? It's just not our problem. And even if we want to be involved, giving John a knife will just make Tim want to kill us, since he knows that we gave his enemy a weapon to harm him with. What we should do is offer John another pencil, or get Tim to share his pencil. Seriously, kindergarteners are being taught how to fix a conflict better than our world leaders.

It is implied in the idea of violent revolution. So, you would go about shooting up government and corporate buildings. You would either- Get shot, or, somehow "win" and change laws since you are now the ruler. This doesn't mean the people like you. This doesn't mean they aren't just waiting to assassinate you and send up their original leaders. And if enough people have the same mindset, laws will change. Hence segregation laws- It wasn't a natural occurence. Hence sufferage of women. It's not a fast process, or an easy one, but it works. And there are no negative consequences, such as hate, or death.

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Islam has its roots all the way back to Abraham. They are the descendants of Ishmael who is the son of Abraham and Hagar, his servant. The jews are the descendants of Isaac, who is the son of Abraham and Sarah, his wife. What I'm looking into is the account of what God said to Abraham regarding this scenario as far as the muslims see it. Because here is what the Bible says in Genesis (I'd rather not quote at the moment if you don't mind, I'm supposed to be doing a paper), God told Abraham that his sons would always be at odds with each other, that his descendants would be greater than all the grains of sand on the earth. He told him to send Ishmael and his mother away when Isaac came because Isaac was his "true" son, but he promised to bless and watch over Ishmael because Abraham cared for him as well.

If you want to go off of the old testament, then yeah that's what the Bible says. Jesus came through and rewrote these things, and not only that but I'm sure the Jews have their reasons for only practicing some things that I'm not aware of. The bible is based on patriarchal societies, but God reveals that that is not His will, but rather what man has done. The religions have never been peaceful. Ever since Isaac and Ishmael they have been at odds. Do you think that the battles in the Bible were less brutal than the battles of today or something? I mean.. if anything that's more heinous of a crime. You would literally beat to death as many dozens of men as you could. God supports this, and he even has his hand in one war where if so-and-so keeps his hands up the "good" side will be winning, but if it drops, the bad side will win. I forget where that is.. and again.. paper.

Politics are not as simple as kindergarten sharing rules. If someone is our ally, we signed an agreement with them saying we would give them military support and they would give us the same in a time of need, and then we DON'T do that during a time of need, we make enemies that way as well. Human lives are not as simple as pencils. "I'm sorry that Hezbollah bombed the s**t out of your city... here are some more people.. does it make it feel better? Does it replace your family? aww, there there, give it time."