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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:29 pm
and i guess if they had never had any current wine before they would know the difference. recipies do taste different from person to person so i guess if they didn't know any better then they wouldn't know that it wasn't what they were told.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:48 am
Yeah, I'm assuming that she hadn't had any wine before. Back then under aged drinking was kind of shunned upon I'd imagine.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:39 pm
yeah so then it would make sense right if she didn't know it was wine and only assumed that raseberry cordial could taste different from person to person.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:49 pm
Exactly, I think we hit the nail on the head.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:42 pm
Oh here is another question for you.
in the scene when anne acts out the Lady of Shalotte and gets stuck under the bridge and gil comes along and saves her. why do you think she didn't just used the posts of the bridge to help her swim to shore?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:09 am
I think she was frightened, honestly. Anne didn't show fright on her face, that's just her character. However she did know she was up a creek without a paddle (ha?) and even though it looked to be small, there was still a pretty big gap from post to post.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:25 pm
in the dvd set that i just bought there is a kind of like blooper reel for that scene and it looks like that water was actually move quite fast so i guess even if she could have the current was rather strong. but even in the book she just clings to the bridge and doesn't even try to swim so i am wondering if anne ever learned...as much as a fictional charater can learn to swim but that might be the other reason.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:26 pm
Could be. I only have the VHS versions of the DVD and I read the book yonks ago, honestly I can't even remember if it's in the book I have (my copy is a children's copy). I'll have to look and read if I have time and see if I can get a decent opinion.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:43 pm
it wouldn't surprise me if Anne didn't learn how to swim, come to think about it. She was orphaned as a baby, and was in foster homes, one with an intoxicated husband (her name escapes me at the moment) and Mrs. Hammond, who basically used her as a maid and child care provider. She probably was never taught to swim, and therefore that's why she didn't try to swim to shore.
I was told to act scared but try to hide it when playing Anne, but I wish I had thought of this scenario before.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:50 pm
but you see thats the thing that kinda get to me. they were always going out on the pounds in the dingys and what not and you never see them with any kind of floatation devices back then so what did they just assume that they would be fine or did they learn to swim because they were nearly brought up on the water. it just seems like common sense if you are going to let you children out near the water with the boats and what not to have the know how to swim a little. i don't know. the other thing could have been she knew how to swim but the dress she was wearing would have made it impossible for her to swim. thinking of Ophelia in Hamlet, she didn't drown because she couldn't swim but because she wasn't trying to and her dress dragged her down. maybe that is the reason Anne was so scared. she was stuck in the water in layers of clothing that made swimming impossible for her.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:27 pm
Well you know how kids are, they think they're invinsible and that they can't get hurt. That's probably why Anne never thought to swim if that's the case. And she never expected the boat to spring a leak.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:58 pm
Hm, the point that Anne never learned to swim never came across my mind, but it's totally logical. And I see Rami's point, all young people have the, "I can never happen to me." go through their head, so I'd guess why Anne never thought about the dory springing a hole, and therefore never thought she'd have to swim.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:12 pm
but it doesn't make sense that she never learned... i mean i have a cottage on a lake and i had to learn to swim when i was young just because the water was there. my parents learned that way and my grand parents as well. going back generations. wouldn't you think that living near the ocean, or a pond, knowing that the children play down by the water and that accidents happen, that they would be taught? and even if you look at the historical period, it is high victorian, society was all about sea bathing and being near the ocean and water sports and things of that nature. they were highly affected by the happenings in britain because they were a colonie and so i have a hard time believing that Anne never learned to swim. one could argue the roll of the women in society but even by that time women were starting to find ways into sertain areas and so i believe that Anne probably did know how to swim.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:01 pm
I think it makes sense that she didn't learn how to swim. Remember, Anne was orphaned at a very young age, and then was put in a foster home, the Thomas'. And Mr. Thomas was an alcoholic ("I found her in the only mirror that hadn't been smashed by her intoxicated husband.") and if I remember correctly, Anne took care of their children, so she wouldn't have the time to learn how to swim if she was taking care of her children. Same with the Hammonds, as you can see, she was basically den mother and slave. She was responsible for feeding the babies, preparing food, taking lunch to Mr. Hammond and so on. I'd be surprised if any of them actually took the to teach Anne how to swim when they wouldn't even take care of their own children.
Knowing how to swim doesn't necessarily make you less frightened or anything either. =)
JMO.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:27 pm
but you also have to take into consideration that swimming lessons wouldn't be as formal as we have now. it was probably a matter of you have to learn to swim if you are going to play around the water because accidents always happen. i mean, even if Anne was just looking after kids, she had to do into the water after them if they went. so i find it hard to believe that she never learned to swim. not learned to the extent that we learn but i mean if someone pushes you off a dock or out of a boat you kinda either swim or you die its as simple as that. i mean i started swimming lessons after my little brother pushed me off a dock without a life jacket into water that was way too deep and although i inhailed a lot of water my fear and panic kept my head about the water while my parents rushed out to me. (worst childhood memory ever)
i think the Dory sinking caught Anne off quard and the dress she was wearing was a more mature dress then the one she would have worn as a younger child, not to mention she had a shall and a blanket about her as well "in a very few moments it was necessary for Elaine to scramble to her feet, pick up her cloth of gold coverlet and pall of blackest samite and gaze blankly at the big crack in the bottom of her barge through which the water was literally pouring" (Montgomery 223) and the water soaking it probably restricted her mobility even if she did want to swim she had the factors or her fear, the current, and the water logged dress against her. I think anne's imagintion got the better of her in the moment and though she had scrambled up the bridge posts and held on because they were old tree trunks and there were still knots and bits of branches in it she was well about herself. but the water the loomed beneth her and the current that carried the sinking flat was quick enough that she was held up on the brige and even if she could have swam to shore she had become so tried from hanging onto the bridge post that it would have been useless. From reading the passage over in the book i do not get the feeling that Anne was incapable of swimming but that she was wrapped up in sopping wet things and unable to move more then enough to pull herself onto the bridge post and wait for Diana, Ruby and Jane to come back with help. She is sertain to a point that someone will come and after she is left hanging for a while with no signs of anyone that is when she starts to feel uneasy and tired and then Gilbert shows up and she scrambles down into his dory and he takes her to shore.
JMO
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