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Ok, rape: how is it right to punish the most innocent of all the people involved? The baby didn't make his/her father rape his/her mother... why should the baby be the one to take the punishment?

Getting pregnant and giving birth does not have to ruin someone's life.
If someone got pregnant through rape and knew they couldn't raise the child, there is always the option of adoption (hehehe, it rhymes too).

I think that people should never have sex (with or without protection) unless they are fully aware that they could get pregnant, and can accept that responsibility. If they can't, then they are not ready for sex. If these people still do get pregnant (being stupid enough to think sex will never result in conception) then they need to have a reality check and realize that their actions DO have consequences, and that they do NOT live in Fairyland, where everything is happy and easy. I challenge those people to take responsibility and have the child. Like I stated earlier, they can put him/her up for adoption if they cannot raise him/her.

In what context is it okay to kill an innocent baby?

Believe that is what they call conscience, good thing I'm unscrupulous 3nodding honour and ethics are limitations in my opinion. If an old man, about to die from a disease that can't be cured, yet just delayed though he can't leave the hospital and begs you to help him die, sure why not. I wouldn't commit it directly as it would get me in trouble with the law, but putting something in his reach would be fair enough I suppose... making sure not to leave fingerprints that connects me to the object... 3nodding that's quite a good and nicer example about the pain of keeping someone alive rather than the psycho killer example. Would it be bad to keep him alive in a world of suffering or help him a tad bit to end the suffering, hmm...

Anyways, people take killing too seriously, sure, many people are afraid of dieing and nobody knows what happens after death (which is the main reason it's illegal to kill) yet, death is just natural. Nobody (or not many) actually bury the remains of a mosquito. In the end I suppose it's about empathy, many would probably consider burying their pets as they were close to them and hold a little ceremony for them. Some people automaticly have empathy for other human beings, some people like me don't, they're simply mosquitos in my eyes.

When in that early stage of pregnancy many people find it hard to accosiate it with an actuall human being, or a baby. Perhaps its that they just dont want to, but it happens. But it wouldnt come about anyway since people do actively make the choice to do this sort of thing.
Nothing like this can be done without regret.

And i believe you Mattea are talking about Euthanasia, as opposed to direct killing.

3nodding Yes, but as ever its always easy to stray from the path we tread.

Just comparing matters that can relate to the subject 3nodding and shouldn't someone change the topic name to "Abortion is murder" or something for this topic to actually have a topic?

hmm, good idea, but i kinda like the name... and besides, if i ever want to start a new debate, the title would still fit (although maybe i should delete the "jk" part...)

Umm... kill whatever needs to be killed and enjoy our lives to the fullest without concern or chains to a baby? 3nodding

I admit compassion is not always my strongest side whee