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 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:04 pm
I never stated that the your story was sci-fi and quite frankly the judgement, and ridiculous theories that it really makes a difference are getting old. I merely stated that by her definition your story was Sci-Fi, I say this only to pint out the uselessness of these titles.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:38 am
I'm sorry, I was having a bad day and trying to explain why it wouldn't be science fiction (to anyone) was getting on my nerves.
I know what you mean though. Fantasy is considered to be anything that's surreal or unreal created in the imagination. However, the imagination doesn't have to be unrealistic, and as the universe is so expansive, worlds that we create in fantasy could be perfectly feasible if they're designed to work with the grand scheme of things.
Was it you that said just because something doesn't have a scientific explanation people always consider it to be "magic", and yet anything that's abnormal to particular societies is magic because they don't understand it?
This is digressing into that other topic, but I thought it was worth cross-referencing with this one. I think another world in this universe where people can click their fingers and create bolts of flame could be perfectly feasible, but the reasons why they could do such things would be "magic", though there would have to be an explanation as to how they're able to do it. It is said to be chi energy that the Shaolin Monks use which allows them to push someone with what seems like a gentle tap can cause them to fly backwards, or that allows them to lay on top of a spear and not be impaled. It's proven, they CAN do it, and it has pretty much everything to do with the human mind that allows them to do it that most people just can't comprehend. It's said we only use a very small portion of our brains, when I believe (along with many others), that it's just that the majority of us don't know HOW to use the larger portion of it. In another world, there may be people who understand more about their minds and can do extraordinary things with them that we'd think of as "magic" that just comes naturally to them.
In my opinion, that's the possibility of another world in the same universe, but because it's unusual and almost unheard of, people say it isn't real and call it fantasy. Science fiction, I believe, follows the principles of what's known and what we know to be possible. We're growing ever closer to intergalactic travel, and if/when that happens, will science fiction then just be fiction and cease to be? That's certainly likely. Science fiction is futuristic, known realism. Fantasy is usually more historical, when unusual occurrences and abilities were known or believed but not understood. We'll always have fantasy, whether it's realistic or not. Science fiction is beginning to become reality, and that, I think, could lead to the genre merging with common fiction.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:16 pm
I personaly think that the same drive that makes writers look to the feature now will still be there when we can achieve said feats. There will always be someone predicting the feature. What's really fun is to look back at the stuff that predicted we'd be living on the moon by 2010. We're almost past the mark but the story's still good, and it hasn't stopped people from continuing to tell us about the future.
I wonder is people in the year 12027 will laugh at the thought of the world being ran by necromancers, just as I have laughed at the thought of living on the moon. That's part of why my time is soo far into the future so that people can read my work and see a wisp of hope and possibility far into the feature.
What you have said multiple times is that fantasy is dictated by the time period, but fantasy is not that simply judged. You have also stated that what makes it fantasy is that it can't happen, but that science fiction could. It's not my job to judge the genera of writing, as a matter of fact I don't care. What I want to know is why you are so adamant about the line between the two. I'm sure it's simple for those inspired by Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, and Tolkien to say that we're fantasy, but what about those of us that have bridged those dividing lines. What of the few who have tossed them aside in the hopes of finding the story others have overlooked. Does a story where dwarves drive tanks so disgust you that you need to distance yourself from the world of technology with titles and classes. Is it against principles for Elves and Humans to battle over power generators, or spaceships. These words only get in the way of storytelling.
I apologize for my digression, but I was obligated to respond to Miss Melkhar.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:53 am
Mrs? What the heck? I'm not married!
And please note that I never said that what occurs in fantasy isn't possible. I said that science fiction is dictated by the advance in technology so people are guessing what would definitely be possible in the future. Fantasy conforms to things that can be possible but that people don't really understand why things are the way they are (you mentioned this yourself I believe). Please don't make assumptions that aren't there when I've stated otherwise. You've simply misread me.
Also, just call me Mel please. I've already been called "mother" here once, and that's something I never want to be.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:05 am
I'm going to butt in on a personal conversation. First Mel, just out of curiosity, with your mentioing of "chi energy that the Shaolin Monks" are you relating magic more to psychic powers, like telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc.? (I am not implying that you are, and if you are it's OK - I'm just asking).
And my opinion about Widigo's statement, dwarves in tanks and elves in spaceships would be okay, but that would not necessarily make it fantasy compared to sci-fi any more than Klingons in the spaceships for example. I know there is a topic about this somewhere, so this argument belongs elsewhere, but I' not the one who started it. I'll just give my opinion for the last time and lay it to rest. The ultimate line between fantasy and sc-fi is not a matter of past versus future. (It just happens to work that way most of the time). The big difference in lies in the definitions. Fantasy deals with imagination, with that which is fantastic. Science fiction on the other hand deals with science, which is relies on observable facts and is the farthest thing from fantasy. In fantasy the whole world is made-up. It doesn't mean things couldn't happen that way, but there is no reason to realistically believe they would. In science fiction the story might be made-up, but the context - the world - are based on reality.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:51 pm
SK, see my new post in the "Magic" thread about this.
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:14 pm
Sorry to butt in but i have to ask a few things. Why do some people think there is no other life on any planet besides Earth? Maybe there is someone light years away asking this same question. What will happen when we finally find another planet that can host life, and might already be doing so? Why do people laugh at these kind of questions? Science Fiction and Fantasy might be the way a race in another galaxy lives, and think of our reality as sci-fi.
i will have more questions later, must go to bed soon, if you dont want me to ask anymore of these kinds of questions, just say so, i will be semi-happy to oblige.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:13 am
My mother thinks that God created us as a kind of trial run. However, when I look up at the night sky, I see thousands upon thousands of stars, which are parts of millions of galaxies. I simply can't comprehend us, including animals and plants, being the only living things in the entire universe.
Everything that we create we nurture, right? (Well of course there ARE those who abuse that thought). I've created my own world, and I am still working on it. I don't know everything about it just yet; it takes time. I simply can't look at my world and think "that's nothing but fiction." There's a lot more to these things than most people would give credit to. People would call such things stupid. My mother has even considered the way I think about these things as quite strange and abnormal.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:18 pm
Hey Mel, I don't think "Miss" is the same as "Mrs", is it? I have a story set on a parallel Earth If you feel like reading some of it, head over to my "fanfiction.net" account and look for my only sci-fi story there so far. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:49 am
Miss - not married
Mrs - married
Ms - could be either Miss or Mrs if you don't really want people to know.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:32 pm
Right! I thought I had the concepts well enough. For a while I was kinda confused. Especially cuz Widigo did say "Miss" instead of "Mrs"... Oh well! rolleyes
BTW, I'm gonna add another chapter (the last one) to my journal story next week; just in case anyone just started to read it or something... mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:17 am
In answer to the original question by Sir Kirbance: From a readers perspective, yes, other worlds work really well in fantasy stories. It shows that the writer is intelegent and has a wonderful imagination. But I have also read failed attempts from writers trying to put way too many details in. For a good fantasy to work, the writer must integrate the details cunningly, so that the plot makes sense. As for sci-fi, it can be many things. Check out this link to wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:16 pm
Wikipedia has lots of things, doesn't it?
After reading that article I was left thinking: But won't "Nanotechnology" cease to be science fiction and turn into science fact someday? Hmm... neutral
After all, lots of stuff that was considered as sci-fi in the past are becoming a reality now.
But enough about that, this is a fantasy guild so:
When i think of other earths, I always picture, or try to at least, a world that has different shaped land masses. Not only that but, sometimes I picture different species of creatures living there. I don't know if the same kind of life can exist elsewhere like, creatures we had on Earth once but got extinct, just to name an example. IF this is the case, it would be neat to see what other worlds look like and if there is one with dinosaurs on it, if any. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:27 pm
hypnocrown Wikipedia has lots of things, doesn't it? After reading that article I was left thinking: But won't "Nanotechnology" cease to be science fiction and turn into science fact someday? Hmm... neutral After all, lots of stuff that was considered as sci-fi in the past are becoming a reality now. No "someday" about it. We've already built tubes and circuits on the nano-scales. It's not tiny robots or anything, but it is nanotechnology in the strictest sense of the word. Quote: But enough about that, this is a fantasy guild so: When i think of other earths, I always picture, or try to at least, a world that has different shaped land masses. Not only that but, sometimes I picture different species of creatures living there. I don't know if the same kind of life can exist elsewhere like, creatures we had on Earth once but got extinct, just to name an example. IF this is the case, it would be neat to see what other worlds look like and if there is one with dinosaurs on it, if any. 3nodding Well, if it helps any, the Monster Manuals for D&D have been known to include stats for dinosaurs. Not something they would have done if there was absolutely no call for it, I suppose. Berz.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:32 pm
Really? I am not very informed in matters of science then...
Huh? Stats for dinosaurs? So any player can assume the role of one then? Hmm... neutral
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