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 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:26 pm
Well forget Dragon Skin. As for metal Storm.
Metal Storm is a system that allows special types of bullets(more like rockets) be fired by an electrical impulse. Multiple rounds can e placed in a single barrel and there have been designs for a multi-barreled pistol configuration.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:11 pm
Okay. This doesn't add to the discussion what so ever. Metal Storm is conman material. If you do get Metal Storm weapons, your logistical network is going to fall to pieces, as the people who make the weapons can't produce them fast enough to support your weapons. Metal Storm would make you go through your ammunition faster.
In short. Metal Storm is a neat idea. However, practically it's a mess of bad logistics.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:24 pm
"I am well sure....a Rocket Propelled Chipmunk can take down any kind of walker thrown at us by Ryu Deepse....."
*no offense*
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:38 pm
I do remember coming across something interesting on google.
A guy actually built a "Mecha" type "walker" in his back yard. Last I checked (which was a while ago) he only had a working torso, and ran it on a gasoline engine but I think it got a good performance.
If I remember correctly, he "hoped to get it walking and to eventually see others make similar walkers" and "eventually equip it with weapons and have small scale skirmishes".
Though how you're going to have a friendly skirmish while riding on top of a gasoline bomb beats me. One shot in the fuel tank and BAM! instant fireball.
Keep in mind this was months ago so I have no idea what this guy has done since; if I come across a link or bookmark I'll post it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:49 pm
Paint weaponry. I doubt you're gonna get stuff like TOW launchers and the like legally.
Though honestly, its 'walk' will most likely be a lock-joint system. Where a 'step' is it actually sliding forward on a wheel, balancingon that,locking the joint, and slide the other foot forward. Or something like that.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:10 pm
I'd like to comment on the real life mecha scenario, if it hasn't already been said, belive it or not there are two real mechas that exist in real life. One is an 18ft. tall, bipedal, constructed be a man know as Carlos Owens, but sadly, as cool as it looks, it cannot walk. The other, I don't have much info on. All I know is that it can walk, has no arms, and is Japanese made.....go figure.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:30 pm
Okay, so two guys with too much time on their hands haev built them.
We are discussing practical uses here, military and civilian. I can only fathom mecha being used in stuff like heavy industry, but never in real life because current missile technology would turn your 18 ft tall combat robot into a target. A very, very expensive target. This is also why modern tanks are going out of fashion with militaries today. When two guys and a hand held rocket launcher system can take out three tanks today, at a range of 4500 yards, and the tanks won't have a chance to respond... Tanks are rather useless now.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:27 pm
ladies gents, i personnally think that arguing something that don't exist is pointless. also we should go ask the japanese for something like that. they've made bipedal robots so what's to stop them from enlargeing that for mechas?
If the Video game, Battlefield 2142, is right(which it probably isn't) it'll be well over 130 years before we see a practical working battlemech.
But i think that using a mech now is pretty retarded. But Powered Armor i'll defintely vouch for, provided it gives the same or better mobility, of some standard trooper. And that it doesn't have anything that makes it a bigger target.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:30 pm
Auren Shiro Okay, so two guys with too much time on their hands haev built them. We are discussing practical uses here, military and civilian. I can only fathom mecha being used in stuff like heavy industry, but never in real life because current missile technology would turn your 18 ft tall combat robot into a target. A very, very expensive target. This is also why modern tanks are going out of fashion with militaries today. When two guys and a hand held rocket launcher system can take out three tanks today, at a range of 4500 yards, and the tanks won't have a chance to respond... Tanks are rather useless now. Right in urban enviroments. During the Two Gulf wars, when Abrams were bogged down, and had to be destroyed, multiple shots had no effect. In fact i know that one take was latter retreived after being "destroyed" and made reoperational again.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:57 pm
Uhh... sure, if you're using twenty year old RPGs.
Never mind in combat exercises, a Bradly with its TOW missile launchers would OSK an M1A2 Abrams. Granted said Bradly would get killed for it, but that's for sitting still.
Never mind that Javelin missiles can kill M1A2s in combat excercises... And by the way, that's a manpack weapon system. 70k missile vs 3 million dollar tank. If that doesn't suit your fancy, any real modern military would rape your tank columns with air power. 2000 lb. bomb built for AT duties would rip open an M1A2 like nobody's buisness.
Since my stuff comes from Tankers formerally in the U.S. Army, and someone in the Israeli Defense Force now, I'll take it over silly propaganda reports that AMRAAMs were used against MBTs. Cause you know, you *totally* use Air-Superiority Missiles against tanks. Or Mavericks for that matter.
In fact, an Abrams was splashed by a Hellfire.
Lesson here is, unless you can make a motive system that can move 90 tons of machine with any sort of utility, adequate armor, and arm it well enough to make it worth it, and make sure it can survive modern Infantry AT systems, its not worth it.
Power armor on the other hand... Ask any Gropo if they'd like several inches of ceramics between them and bullets, and they'll give you a resounding 'yes.'
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:52 pm
I say just Slap better armour on smaller quicker tanks and Make it remote controlled. And hand the top rated video games players in the states the controls. Hell it would save a lot of lives and you would have rolling heck to unleash on your enemies (have you seem some of these guys play?). Of course there would still be a need for humans on the battle field for good old fashion elbow grease to fix them and to get in areas these bulky buggers cant to wipe out the resistance. In the end it comes down to we lack the necessary technology to create effective mechs that are cost efficent.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:16 pm
You're overthinking this...This is a simple question...What happens when tons of walking metal slips and falls? They don't just get up...And unstable terrain would be a factor...gravel from explosions and rocky terrain aren't exactly paragons of stability...Heck, regular infantry can slip and fall...
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:35 pm
Lamolith I say just Slap better armour on smaller quicker tanks and Make it remote controlled. And hand the top rated video games players in the states the controls. Hell it would save a lot of lives and you would have rolling heck to unleash on your enemies (have you seem some of these guys play?). Of course there would still be a need for humans on the battle field for good old fashion elbow grease to fix them and to get in areas these bulky buggers cant to wipe out the resistance. In the end it comes down to we lack the necessary technology to create effective mechs that are cost efficent. Amen
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:58 pm
Ryu Deepse Lamolith I say just Slap better armour on smaller quicker tanks and Make it remote controlled. And hand the top rated video games players in the states the controls. Hell it would save a lot of lives and you would have rolling heck to unleash on your enemies (have you seem some of these guys play?). Of course there would still be a need for humans on the battle field for good old fashion elbow grease to fix them and to get in areas these bulky buggers cant to wipe out the resistance. In the end it comes down to we lack the necessary technology to create effective mechs that are cost efficent. Amen lol thanks. not many people seem to understand how simple this would be. Very few people agree with me too.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:59 am
Mecha's Pretty cool, I like the games and all, but I dont like the over-sized mechs that people fly around as a vessel(like Transformers except the movie was awesome).
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