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Squads (Of Marines, Scouts, Veterans, Devastators, and I think Command) can be bought in squads of five or ten. (Aside from Veterans and likely command, who can have any number of members.) If it's a full squad of ten, they can split in half and each count as seperate scoring units.

Ravenwing Squads also have the combat squads rule, and can split biker squads in half, and the Ravenwing Strike Force thing Squad can split up into seperate sections.

Only veterans can add an uneven amount of models to its squad, the command unit is stuck at five and scouts, Tacts, Devies, bikes and Assault marines must take either a minimum squad or a full squad for "X" amount of points.

On the topic of the new DA codex, I'm torn between hating it and loving it. I don't bother asking any GW reps about it down town because they can't say squat against GW or any of its products, not that I think any of them would even want to, they don't seem to be of any opinion but that of the Omni-Workship. In my opinion I openly dislike it, but I'll play Dark Angels till the end. Mainly because Dark Angels players now pay about 30% more points for an army than a normal marine army does. I can't count the Black Templars that's the only codex I don't have and I know the Wolves pay more for marines but at the very least they can ultimately choose where to spend their points.

Normally I don't take Vets in my squads, its a waste of points when my commander is on the field plugging away with his storm bolter. The plus side is we pay less for Razorbacks and we can take them even if we buy the full squads of ten since we can split up the units.

The only thing that really gets me is that when I play a 2000pts army I know my opponent will be playing with roughly 400pts more than I am. I'm not a bad player and being the underdog has become somewhat of a habit over the past little while but even so I don't think its entirely fair.

Call me a whiner but even so, I can't argue with Johnson and Hoare anymore than the rest of us can so I'll simply bite the bullet. Besides, if I can't beat my opponents with marines, I might as well do it with Terminators, or failing that, bikes and speeders.

the Demon

The more I hear about this codex, the more i think Ill just forget about DA, if i want more marines Ill make a chapter up.

I personally thought wow marines as they should be when I read the codex, yes you can't make a character uber hard but thats the way it should be. Every squad should have a veteran and every marine should have grenades. It saved me loads of points on my own army as I used to be paying 18pts per marine!

Until you're against some pesky Tau or Catachans or other Guard who are just laughing at you from your deep-strike and cover save vulnerablilities.

-Mykal

then next to no chance of krak'ing him, AV12... 6 to hit, 6 to glance, 6 to destroy thing...

*responds with his eight-year-old Ork Codex*

emo