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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:23 am
technical_difficulties Hittokiri04 we believe what we believe with no question. why?? because we chose too? o.O
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:19 am
Victum Soul technical_difficulties Hittokiri04 we believe what we believe with no question. why?? because we chose too? o.O fair enough >_> But Descartes said: The only certainty is doubt. If you have no doubt, you have no certainty either. But still: Why to chose not to please the natural feeling of wander and questioning? I mean, still, if Christianity is right, then when you question it, they will have all the right answers. Thus making it infalible and doubt-proof. So you can't know your religion is right if you don't explore it thorougly.. and to do so, you must question, because you have to expect to get all the answers, right? Nietzsche said: Faith is not wanting to know the truth. Maybe you aren't supposed to question because the whole facade would crumble with the first light breeze? I mean, I know this is not what you believe in, but there is only one way to find out. If you question them and they succeed, then by god, Christianity is right... When I was little (like 11 years old) I always had difficulty grasping (and finaly never did) the concept of "fearing god". I heard "'cause you have to be fearful of God" and on the other hand "he loves you" I actually always thought that a "god fearing man" was something really bad, and that to be a good christian, you don't have to fear god... because he loves you! Then when I grew up I understood that to be a good christian, you have to fear your god, and don't "tempt" him, don't "dare" him.... because that'd be too.. uhm... intellectual? So to get back on those innocent spirit guidances: Don't be affraid to question your beliefs, it's the only way to find out if they are right... don't fear god, he loves you, and he forgives easy, don't be affraid to question god, because he made you in his image, and he is the only one you can get answers from.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:32 pm
valas - well jesus may have been a disciple of enoch. i have the book and am reading it, but im not very far in so i'll reserve judgement. but, the basis of christianity is not that he was a man called into heaven, but god taking a human form on this earth. he merely returned to heaven.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:12 pm
Jesus was merely God's son, not God
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:29 am
Valas Hume Jesus was merely God's son, not God you have to study about trinity deeper, buddy.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:35 am
technical_difficulties Victum Soul technical_difficulties Hittokiri04 we believe what we believe with no question. why?? because we chose too? o.O fair enough >_> But Descartes said: The only certainty is doubt. If you have no doubt, you have no certainty either. But still: Why to chose not to please the natural feeling of wander and questioning? I mean, still, if Christianity is right, then when you question it, they will have all the right answers. Thus making it infalible and doubt-proof. So you can't know your religion is right if you don't explore it thorougly.. and to do so, you must question, because you have to expect to get all the answers, right? Nietzsche said: Faith is not wanting to know the truth. Maybe you aren't supposed to question because the whole facade would crumble with the first light breeze? I mean, I know this is not what you believe in, but there is only one way to find out. If you question them and they succeed, then by god, Christianity is right... When I was little (like 11 years old) I always had difficulty grasping (and finaly never did) the concept of "fearing god". I heard "'cause you have to be fearful of God" and on the other hand "he loves you" I actually always thought that a "god fearing man" was something really bad, and that to be a good christian, you don't have to fear god... because he loves you! Then when I grew up I understood that to be a good christian, you have to fear your god, and don't "tempt" him, don't "dare" him.... because that'd be too.. uhm... intellectual? So to get back on those innocent spirit guidances: Don't be affraid to question your beliefs, it's the only way to find out if they are right... don't fear god, he loves you, and he forgives easy, don't be affraid to question god, because he made you in his image, and he is the only one you can get answers from. I get you, dude, and all I can say is: We do question, man. Sometimes our minds start working so hard on explaining it that we forget to believe it. Faith is not what Nietzsche said, although it sounds pretty logical.Too bad faith has nothing to do with logics. Faith, according to the bible: "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." We believe that once you die and find yourself face to face with God, all the knowledge of the universe will be revealed to you. You will reach perfection. About fearing God. I think it is more complicated than it seems. I, personally, don't fear God Himself. I fear failing to Him. When you love God this much it hrts to hurt Him. I think I can't explain myself more clear, sorry.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:49 am
I might not be a christian, but I get what you mean wink
I know, on the other hand, that faith has nothing to do with logics... you can't mix up both simply because faith is just that and requires no explanation, so if they be confronted, logics can tear faith away.
We are those who couldn't resist the temptation of facing both and realising which has more power for us.
Of course Faith is the most powerful for you, which is alright; I work better without religion, but I tend to think that if it works for you, then the more power to you. Because this just narrows it down to the same thing it's always been about: Living life the way you can and best see fit.
This is why I respect (though not necesarily share concepts with) religions, not because "i've got to".
Oh and Valas, Christians believe in the holy trinity, you are merely describing a trifecta... Jesus was "G"od incarnated, as well as the holy spirit and thus "G"od itself.
Now, Jesus might have been a disciple of Enoch, as an historical character, but that's not the Jesus depicted by the Christian Bible (Which shouldn't be taken as a history lesson in any way)
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:27 pm
yeah, valas. according to christian doctrine (i happen to be only familiar with catholic theory, but im assuming this goes for other forms of christianity as well - ANS YES GOD DAMN IT CATHOLICISM IS A FORM OF CHRISTIANITY AND ANY NAY SAYERS CAN JUST LEAVE ME ALONE ON THIS IM TIRED OF BAPTISTS SAYING CATHOLICS ARE HEATHEN AND CATHOLICS SAYING BAPTISTS ARE HEATHEN SO IF YOURE GONNA SAY IT SHUT THE ******** UP - IF BOTH GROUPS FOLLOW CHRIST THEN THEY ARE BOTH FORMS OF CHRISTIANITY!!! sorry about that, but i figured id get it outta the way before someone pissed me off) jesus is a human incarnation of god - he is the earthly form of the trinity and has the holy spirit in him - god in human shape.
as for tech - very well said. i was gonna say something to that effect, but now i have nothing to add to it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:48 pm
MegaTherion777 ANS YES GOD DAMN IT CATHOLICISM IS A FORM OF CHRISTIANITY AND ANY NAY SAYERS CAN JUST LEAVE ME ALONE ON THIS IM TIRED OF BAPTISTS SAYING CATHOLICS ARE HEATHEN AND CATHOLICS SAYING BAPTISTS ARE HEATHEN SO IF YOURE GONNA SAY IT SHUT THE ******** UP - IF BOTH GROUPS FOLLOW CHRIST THEN THEY ARE BOTH FORMS OF CHRISTIANITY!!! lol eek dude... i think someone has had unpleasant encounters with some people xp Quote: as for tech - very well said. i was gonna say something to that effect, but now i have nothing to add to it. thanks, mate smile
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:52 pm
technical_difficulties MegaTherion777 ANS YES GOD DAMN IT CATHOLICISM IS A FORM OF CHRISTIANITY AND ANY NAY SAYERS CAN JUST LEAVE ME ALONE ON THIS IM TIRED OF BAPTISTS SAYING CATHOLICS ARE HEATHEN AND CATHOLICS SAYING BAPTISTS ARE HEATHEN SO IF YOURE GONNA SAY IT SHUT THE ******** UP - IF BOTH GROUPS FOLLOW CHRIST THEN THEY ARE BOTH FORMS OF CHRISTIANITY!!! lol eek dude... i think someone has had unpleasant encounters with some people xp Quote: perhaps. or perhaps im just ******** annoyed at the hypocrisy of being christian and not following the teachings of christ, those which say "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "love thy enemy as you love thy neighbor"...not exact quotes, but the closest i can recall...anyway, and the hypocrisy of being a christian and not thinking other followers of christ are christian.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:17 pm
I'm happier not delving into the ridiculousness that organized religion brings. Individual beliefs should never override common sense. People killing eachother, hating one another, simply because of a belief, is ridiculous
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:37 pm
yes it is ridiculous.
all hypocrisy is ridiculous.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:51 am
I agree with you both. I take on it is that people try to twist the BIble's words to their benifit(sp?) which brings upon the hypocrasy and turns people away from Christianity. That is one reason why I consdier myself a Non-Denominational Christian rather than seeking out a specific denomination.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:21 pm
Hittokiri04 I agree with you both. I take on it is that people try to twist the BIble's words to their benifit(sp?) which brings upon the hypocrasy and turns people away from Christianity. That is one reason why I consdier myself a Non-Denominational Christian rather than seeking out a specific denomination. I think denominations are okay, it's religion that sucks. Christianity shouldn't be a religion, as metal, it should be a lifestyle.
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