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 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:02 am
Natalia Romanova I was trying not to use my mules when I post so as not to confuse people but like that really matters. Anywho, this is Red Scully for those of you out of the loop.
Fallen Angel:
I like Max Fenig a lot and I have always enjoyed this episode. It isn't the mytharc I've grown to love, but it's almost there; a good proto-type episode that gets reconnected later in one of my favorite mytharc two parters. ninja
And LOL at Mulder getting thrown in choppy slow motion. Bwahahahaha!
You never really get that kind of dynamic out of an episode of Fringe. The only time they had an MOTW that hadn't started out as being completely human was a really ******** angry, mean animal that I think even Mulder would probably rather unload a clip into than urge compassion towards.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:13 pm
OMG THANK YOU FOR POSTING I WAS GETTING SO LONELY.Katherine Kane I already had enough nightmares about the goddamn fiji mermaid and flukeboy or whatever the ******** his name is. I didn't want to shower for a month after that goddamn episode
I know you know this already but imma say it for others; but I totally had to sneak in watching TXF too. It was banned from our house for like 4 years or something, I forget why but I'm pretty positive my mom thought it was too scary for me. And she was right, but I'd sneak out of bed to watch or watch in another room with the volume super low while the rest of the family watched Friends reruns. It intensified the creepy like whoa; and I didn't have my sister watching with me. Just me, in a back room, late at night, with the volume on 5. To this day when I watch my DVDs I watch with the subtitles on and the volume up - because I can. I missed so much friggin dialogue with the low volume that when I got my box set of wonderment I swore NEVER AGAIN! scream Katherine Kane I really liked this one, it had a really different pace going for it, but what I really dug about it was Mulder's ex-partner and how it shows just how ******** the internal politics of the FBI are beyond the conspiracy c**k blockers. I think it showed a piece of how- beyond his sister's abduction- Mulder went from a rising star in the bureau to hiding down in the basement and almost seeking out ways to lose his badge. Of course you couldn't have a starring law man in an American TV series who doesn't either throw his badge at a superior or have to turn it and his gun in at least temporarily. Probably the one phrase heard the most on cop shows of any kind beyond the obvious freeze, miranda rights, and so on is "YOU'RE OFF THE CASE." Except Castle, I'm still waiting for that one to happen. Katherine Kane Yeah the space ghost thing was ******** stupid, but I liked seeing what Mulder enjoys other than porn (which we haven't even started to see yet).
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:42 pm
Hee, Elvis.
And remember that Mulder was the first "big character" (or at least that I remember) that ran with the FBI Profiler as a job. I seem to remember after X-Files got some popularity, tv shows and movies all of a sudden started to have the FBI Profiler as a main or supporting character in a story.
I was never not allowed to watch X-Files (yay Geek Dad), but I think my parents worried that I fell into the fandom a bit too hard back then. And I swear to god, any time I actually succeeded in convincing someone to watch an episode on tv, it would end up being "Home". mad
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:13 am
BWAHAH! Ask Queen of Faeries about all the times I've made her watch Home against her will. Its like a tradition. But catching it on TV? It was banned from network television, but really all that meant was "banned from basic cable" so you gotta be talkin' about the FX reruns. Those sweet, sweet, two times a night Monday through Friday reruns. Although after a while they totally started airing them out of order, those asshats.
When you'd try to talk people into watching with you did you have to explain to them how it wasn't all aliens and flying saucers and that the show is actually relatively natural ground for non-geekyish people? I always had to convince people that TXF a.) wasn't all aliens all the time b.) not boring and c.) pretty damn funny. It felt like half the people I knew would be like "That show is for UFO nuts without a sense of humor" when that is CRAZY far from the truth.
TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR XF FANDOM EXPERIENCE. We can compare. ninja
And now it is fandom soapbox time:
Thanks to The X-Files' popularity, and boy was it popular, every slightly procedural show has a profiler; a Lonegun Man-esque deus ex machina tech person; a superior officer character; and a male/female UST filled partnership of some kind. Currently the shows with the most obvious direct influences are Fringe (JJ Abrams couldn't possibly be a bigger Phile if he tried) and Bones - but the over reaching influence of TXF's narrative style is long and wide and pops up in surprising places. Like with AMC's Breaking Bad; which isn't really that surprising when you learn creator and lead writer Vince Gilligan was a producer and one of the lead writers for The X-Files.
With Breaking Bad Gilligan has perfected and tweaked the narrative model he helped create on TXF: The stand alone episode that has it's own theme, feel, and story yet "counts" towards the over reaching continuous plot. For The X-Files MOTW episodes and Mytharc episodes can easily be viewed as start stop start stop (start mythology, stop for a few episodes, start back up again, stop for a few episodes) but in reality, once into season two, the show picks up a episode to episode continuity regardless of being either MOTW or Mytharc. It became a episodic-serial; and that was, and still is, beyond influential in the realm of television. The X-Files formed a creative narrative for its self that could bend and become whatever the writers wanted, allowing for the truly episodic and stand alone episodes like the 5th season's "Post Modern Promethous" to exist in the same show where seasons 5 and 6 where tied together with a feature friggin' film. The shows real legacy is in it's story telling and that is what academics, creative types, TV executives, writers, and audiences have clamored to see and try to re-create over and over again since 1995. Even comedies like The Simpsons started to adapt and have its own bizarre continuity (rather then just self references) around season 6 onwards.
It be crazy yo.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:57 am
Red Scully BWAHAH! Ask Queen of Faeries about all the times I've made her watch Home against her will. Its like a tradition. But catching it on TV? It was banned from network television, but really all that meant was "banned from basic cable" so you gotta be talkin' about the FX reruns. Those sweet, sweet, two times a night Monday through Friday reruns. Although after a while they totally started airing them out of order, those asshats.
I think my own mental process watching the show was this:
"Huh. There's a warning before the show... that's weird. Have they done that before?"
*watches episode*
"THAT WAS ******** UP DUDE."
Then a week or so later I heard my grandmother was horrified (rightly so) and my uncle had to apologize. biggrin Red Scully When you'd try to talk people into watching with you did you have to explain to them how it wasn't all aliens and flying saucers and that the show is actually relatively natural ground for non-geekyish people? I always had to convince people that TXF a.) wasn't all aliens all the time b.) not boring and c.) pretty damn funny. It felt like half the people I knew would be like "That show is for UFO nuts without a sense of humor" when that is CRAZY far from the truth.
TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR XF FANDOM EXPERIENCE. We can compare. ninja
As far as franchises go, I don't think I have ever been a bigger fan of ANYTHING than I was of TXF back in the day.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:34 pm
Your poor grandmother! That is one messed up introduction to the show! Although, heh, like I can talk. I use "Home" all the time to try and lure people into the series. I've got a whole list of "go to" episodes for converting purposes.
X-Files was banned from the house in 1996 and it was difficult to get away and watch new episodes before I figured out my patent sneak-around-system so I didn't get to see the first airing. I had the unfortunate pleasure of watching "Home" in 1998 when FX got permission to air it on Halloween night. I was home alone because I had checked in the TV guide that the episode was going to air and when the family went out to eat I said I didn't wanna go and that I'd eat a home, I wasn't feeling good - I dunno I made up something - and tuckered down. By the end I had a blanket covering every square inch of me other then my eyes and had turned every light on in the house and then had to pretend I wasn't freaked out when everyone got home. gonk Sorce Well, I was lucky insofar that most of the people I would talk to about it were already into the Sci-Fi thing, so flying saucers, monsters, and conspiracies weren't necessarily "out there" for them. As far as my own personal fandom.... I'm not sure this is an exact ratio, but Sorce : The X-Files :: Oni : The Invisibles. I fell, and fell hard into that stuff. I never went quite so far as to get all the merch, but I'm pretty sure the show swapped some wiring around in my head. xp
As far as franchises go, I don't think I have ever been a bigger fan of ANYTHING than I was of TXF back in the day.
THIS. YES.
I have yet to find anything (book series; TV show; film; game; cartoon), and I mean ANYTHING, that comes even remotely close to how big a fan I was (and obviously still am) of The X-Files. This here re-watching has been really fun for me personally, but it has made me severely nostalgic and a little sad. I miss being excited about a series, about characters, about new episodes - like genuinely excited. I watch a lot of shows now on DVD so there is no waiting, I set my own pace, and I can look up spoliers if I feel like it. Dollhouse is the only series I watch as it airs on TV and I want to see the new episodes but they are not imperative to my sanity. I like a lot of shows and I consider myself a big fan of several shows but they are in a completely different realm of viewing experience when compared to with what I had with TXF.
New XF episodes, and even reruns, where almost like a ritualistic lifestyle to my younger self; it was "important" to me. I almost miss having something that non-important "important", as strange as that may sound to someone who hasn't experienced something like that. I don't even know how I'd go about describing my fandom with this show honestly; and if I ever did somehow manage to describe it accurately it would probably come off sounding really creepy and paint me as insane. surprised
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:54 pm
And I totally didn't get too deep into the merch either because:
a.) There was eventually too much of it to even keep up with
b.) It was banned for years, so me getting the comics/magazines/books wouldn't go over super well (although I did have a secret small stash for a little while until the ban was lifted in 1999)
c.) No moniez
I did eventually get posters, some action figures, accessories, clothing, and books - and I've bought two complete DVD sets of the series at this point. I got the thin box sets as they came out and then I got the Ultimate box set. The thin packs I sent to Marty808 in Connecticut when I got my mondo set. I had burned copies of DVDs as well; I sent those to Ashram in Japan.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:09 pm
I would tape the episodes on my parents' VCR and then keep the tapes. xd
A reason I think why I "hit it" so hard was because there wasn't much of an internet (sure as s**t not like now) and most of my friends weren't sci-fi geeks, so discussion on my end was kept to a minimum for the first several years. All that information just bounded around in my head with little to no conversational spigot.
My fandom has definitely waned since then though. The last few years of the show I rarely watched (conflicting schedules and crappy VCRs), plus I wasn't interested if the pair wasn't Mulder and Scully. Though I did like Doggett from what I saw, and amusingly enough, when Mulder came back, I thought he was an absolute jackass. And of course I did watch the last couple of episodes (as well as the Lone Gunmen spinoff).
Still haven't watched the second movie, either.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:27 pm
I made tons of VCR tapes of my favorite episodes after the ban was lifted. My friends Layla (Marty80 cool , Olivia, and I had a tradition of watching "Triangle" and "Bad Blood" every single time we had a sleep over. xd
I can't feel the same intensity for the series as I did as it is over, but my fandom experience is like a fine wine. Those of us that have stuck around have created a nice, fierce, global online community that just keeps magically growing.
The XF fandom was huuuuuuuuuuuuge online but only if you knew exactly where to look for it; most of it oozing around on usenet, which was confusing as hell to me. I do miss the excitement, the need-to-know thrill, and the constantly booming message boards but in a way I'm having way more fun with it all now then I did then. Now there are macros; more fan vids; picspams; surveys; HBIC lawlz; in depth full series analysis; re-watches; skype-watches; community projects; an entire little world complete with it's own language, jokes, and goals (XF3 Army, what-whaaaaat) unified in a way the fandom NEVER was during the shows run. I dunno if you were ever big on online XF sites/boards/mailing list but the fandom broke in ******** half towards the end of the 7th season. The fan wank and war that followed was vicious and effectively killed about half the boards, taking down X-Files Creative (a very popular mailing list/fanzine/fan fiction site) completely. It even affected focused groups like Idealists Haven - one of the more sane and mature shipper boards around. Only on the onset of the second movie did the rift completely heal, and I gotta say; things now are pretty damn sweet.
It is also super nice to already know what is going to happen, so the anxiety of seeing that which I (deeply) love suffer creatively due to contracts, law suits, FOX executives, and a shift in the cultural dynamic of television is gone. I enjoy seasons 8 and 9 even though it isn't Mulder and Scully all the time, and it did take some time for me to "accept" it. Doggett grew on me pretty quick, and I totally adore Agent Reyes - and I really do wish the idea of having them spear head "The X-Files: The Next Generation" could have at least produced a pilot. I'll talk about all the "what if?" later when we get there, I've got a stupid amount to say on 8 and 9.
Eeeeehehehe, I love the Lone Gunmen spinoff.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:38 pm
Aside from linking to CAPS COMM once I haven't been giving much in the way of XF humorz. Is my posting sum relevant to pplz interests? 'Cuz I totes share wif y'allz if it won't be seen as annoying or like totes stoopid.
It amuses the hell outta me at any rate.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:19 am
Natalia Romanova The XF fandom was huuuuuuuuuuuuge online but only if you knew exactly where to look for it; most of it oozing around on usenet, which was confusing as hell to me. Natalia Romanova I dunno if you were ever big on online XF sites/boards/mailing list but the fandom broke in ******** half towards the end of the 7th season. The fan wank and war that followed was vicious and effectively killed about half the boards, taking down X-Files Creative (a very popular mailing list/fanzine/fan fiction site) completely. It even affected focused groups like Idealists Haven - one of the more sane and mature shipper boards around. Only on the onset of the second movie did the rift completely heal, and I gotta say; things now are pretty damn sweet.
I had no idea about the rupture in the fandom, but it does make sense, since the later seasons were a big change (cast-wise) compared to the earlier ones. Heck, I remember the gripes when filming moved to LA, and that wasn't nearly as big.Natalia Romanova Eeeeehehehe, I love the Lone Gunmen spinoff.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:45 pm
Sorce Yeah, I was either on random XF sites (which was less conversation and more reading) or over on MSN's attempts at chat/messageboards. I never did the usenet thing, but I was vaguely aware of it. Sorce Ohgod the fanfiction. XFC sounds familiar, but my big dip was either over on FF.net, which was still kind of fledgling at that point, or e-mail lists like EMXC. I may still even have some of those fics lying around somewhere.
I totally was on EMXC too! I had to get a secondary hotmail account (which became my main account, whose address became my most permanent internet handle, which I still use to this day and this Gaia account is named after) to direct all the e-mails! xd Sorce I had no idea about the rupture in the fandom, but it does make sense, since the later seasons were a big change (cast-wise) compared to the earlier ones. Heck, I remember the gripes when filming moved to LA, and that wasn't nearly as big.
I'm so glad I have someone to talk to btw. Thanks Sorce for sharin' and bein' all awesome. You should at least re-watch some of your favorite episodes with us, it'll be fun I swear! heart
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:01 am
I totally forgot about that one. Yeah, I hit up that place too. xd Red Scully What type of fics did you dig? I always liked quarantine stories, because they'd be forced to have potentially interesting and fun dialogue; like in "Quagmire" or "Detour". Red Scully I totally was on EMXC too! Red Scully I'm so glad I have someone to talk to btw. Thanks Sorce for sharin' and bein' all awesome. You should at least re-watch some of your favorite episodes with us, it'll be fun I swear! heart
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:16 pm
Sorce I have no idea; I was kind of all over the place. Crossover-fics, straight case files; heck there was even one I read where Mulder and Scully got transported to some classic D&D-type fantasy land. The romance aspect was okay as well, though I wasn't big on it; I didn't have a problem with Mulder and Scully hooking up, but the way it had happened in various fanfics could be... odd.
As potentially embarrassing as shipper fic could be, I was into it - but over time mostly just for the bad!fic, especially MSR UST bad!fic. A lot of it is just so gloriously, perfectly, bad, it is addicting and the tropes are THE. BEST. Like Scully's eyes are always diamond blue, her hair must smell like strawberries or be described as strawberry in color, and her heart is in-cased in a stone wall. My personal favorite bad!fic device is:Endlessly. Amusing. Sorce We've probably read some of the same fanfic, then. rofl Sorce I'll probably watch some of the episodes, I just need to find a website that actually streams the show.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:42 pm
GenderBender:
This episode is infuriating because I always watch it thinking "this is good, creepy, stuff!" and then the halfway point arrives and the ending gets rushed, oddly executed, and is lame. Damn you first season kinks! It was all leading somewhere creepy and different then LOL just kidding aliens. At least the staff agrees that the ball being dropped with this episode. Only real awesome thing is that this episode is Kim Manner's first hand at directing on the show. Hoora Kim Manners, you lovable director you! <3
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