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 Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:39 pm
i've been seeing this alot through out the christian community. that if you repent and accept christ as your lord and savior your automatically accepted into heaven.
you have to do that but there's more to it read:
acts 2:36-38
acts14
and so on. first after you repent you have to get baptizeed in the name of JESUS CHRIST not father, son, holyghost if that has happened then you need to get baptized over read:
st.john 3:16
then you tarry on the name of JESUS until he fills you with the HOLYGHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TOUNGES.
after you have donre this you live the life he has told you to live in the world for as the bible says mark the perfect man that you may also live a life of perfection. thats how you get to heaven and have eternal life.
PM me for more answers to questions if you have any.
i had to say something about this b/c it's killing me when "christians" tell you the accept jesus as your lord and master and thats all.
also jesus and god are 1 of the same thing read:
titus2:3 god is jesus wrapped up in flesh i think i said enough good night.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:48 pm
blakjapaneseangl i've been seeing this alot through out the christian community. that if you repent and accept christ as your lord and savior your automatically accepted into heaven. you have to do that but there's more to it read: acts 2:36-38 acts14 and so on. first after you repent you have to get baptizeed in the name of JESUS CHRIST not father, son, holyghost if that has happened then you need to get baptized over read: st.john 3:16 then you tarry on the name of JESUS until he fills you with the HOLYGHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TOUNGES. after you have donre this you live the life he has told you to live in the world for as the bible says mark the perfect man that you may also live a life of perfection. thats how you get to heaven and have eternal life. PM me for more answers to questions if you have any. i had to say something about this b/c it's killing me when "christians" tell you the accept jesus as your lord and master and thats all. also jesus and god are 1 of the same thing read: titus2:3 god is jesus wrapped up in flesh i think i said enough good night. lol wut? Back on topic now, firstly, yes, most Christians believe in the Holy Trinity (God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost). That said, when you're baptized into 'Jesus', you're baptized into the Holy Trinity. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here...
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:38 pm
that's faith by works, not grace.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:07 am
His saying his tied of the whole "You repent your garented enterence into heaven" His saying baptisim by water isn't enough for salvation, you must be baptised into christ death so you may share in his ressurection.
And if you are truly saved you will not recommit the same sin.
As for the speaking in tounges. I disagree. To one the spirit of tounges, to another the gift of healing, to another the desernment of tounges.
Not all churchers move in the gift of tounges, although I think God will to give it all I don't think speaking in tounges is nessiarry, or a lot of holy men and woman are going to hell for not speaking in it.
I think being transparent for Jesus is good enough.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:25 pm
Quote: His saying his tied of the whole "You repent your garented enterence into heaven" His saying baptisim by water isn't enough for salvation, you must be baptised into christ death so you may share in his ressurection. except the OP states "there's more to it" in reference to repenting and accepting Christ. i'm pretty sure there's no more than that. then she goes on to say that you have to live a perfect life in order to get to Heaven. that's wrong. that's utterly and completely wrong and, dare i say, limiting the death of Christ. baptism is not necessary for salvation. it is necessary however for a faith that is alive.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:29 am
Baptisim into Christ death is nessicary.
And it's not limiting Christ death by saying there more to being a christian than just repenting.
Jesus never ever said "your sins are forgiven" without following with some sort of notion of go and sin no more. Remember the man being lowered through the roof?
Jesus removed the mans sins.
THEN said.
"Go sin NO MORE"
If it wasn't possible Jesus wouldn't of said it I think.
And like you think that trying to live a perfect life is limiting Christ.
I think just thinking repenting is enough is a mockery to his sacrifice.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:17 am
Quote: I think just thinking repenting is enough is a mockery to his sacrifice. i don't think you understand what repentance means. it implies not only saying one is sorry, but abstaining from those things. so when one repents, then the act of trying to not do those things is implied. there is a reversal involved. one doesn't truly repent then go do the same things five minutes later. Quote: And like you think that trying to live a perfect life is limiting Christ. Original Poster mark the perfect man that you may also live a life of perfection. thats how you get to heaven and have eternal life. that my friend is saying that since Christ's death wasn't enough, one HAS to live a perfect life. and define "baptism into Christ's death" please.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:06 pm
1) baptizing into christ death is baptizing in the name of "jesus" you dont get baptized in the father, son, holyghost. you get baptized in the name of the father,son,holyghost = jesus
2) repentance is turning away from that sin it's not just saying sorry. if you're still doing that sin even if you said sorry you never truly repented unless you turned yourself away from that sin
3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost.
this is what people are what people are getting confused with.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:22 pm
blakjapaneseangl 3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost. Where in anywhere does it even mention that speaking in Tongues is required? I can think of a few dozen scriptures that actually say the opposite. confused
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:30 pm
Quote: baptizing into christ death is baptizing in the name of "jesus" you dont get baptized in the father, son, holyghost. you get baptized in the name of the father,son,holyghost = jesus so ... why does Jesus command the apostles to make disciples of all nations and "baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"?
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:48 pm
blakjapaneseangl 1) baptizing into christ death is baptizing in the name of "jesus" you dont get baptized in the father, son, holyghost. you get baptized in the name of the father,son,holyghost = jesus 2) repentance is turning away from that sin it's not just saying sorry. if you're still doing that sin even if you said sorry you never truly repented unless you turned yourself away from that sin 3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost. this is what people are what people are getting confused with. On the contrary, I believe that you are somewhat confused. Jesus = God = Holy Ghost. That's why they're a trinity... if you get baptized into any of the one, you're in turn, baptized into the other two, theoretically speaking. If you're baptized into all of them, it's pretty much the same thing. Secondly: repent: to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. Repenting is seeking forgiveness for your sins. Repentance is NOT giving up all sin. We are human, we are NOT perfect, we can NOT completely abolish sin from our lives. We are born into, live in, and die in sin. Show me a single human ever mentioned EVER, other than Jesus, that did not sin. Thirdly, see Se Ga Takai's post... where on earth is this said?
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:04 am
Se Ga Takai blakjapaneseangl 3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost. Where in anywhere does it even mention that speaking in Tongues is required? I can think of a few dozen scriptures that actually say the opposite. confused you have to show me those scriptures b/c every time someone got it they always spoke in tounges and acts 2:38 tells you this
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:08 am
i like burnination Quote: baptizing into christ death is baptizing in the name of "jesus" you dont get baptized in the father, son, holyghost. you get baptized in the name of the father,son,holyghost = jesus so ... why does Jesus command the apostles to make disciples of all nations and "baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"? the bible says in the NAME of the father, son, holyghost those are just titles ex.( you can be the SON of your father, the FATHER of your son, and be a dentist at the same time but those are your titles not your name your name is still your name) same with jesus were baptizing in the name of these 3 titles which is jesus.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:17 am
Draycore blakjapaneseangl 1) baptizing into christ death is baptizing in the name of "jesus" you dont get baptized in the father, son, holyghost. you get baptized in the name of the father,son,holyghost = jesus 2) repentance is turning away from that sin it's not just saying sorry. if you're still doing that sin even if you said sorry you never truly repented unless you turned yourself away from that sin 3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost. this is what people are what people are getting confused with. On the contrary, I believe that you are somewhat confused. Jesus = God = Holy Ghost. That's why they're a trinity... if you get baptized into any of the one, you're in turn, baptized into the other two, theoretically speaking. If you're baptized into all of them, it's pretty much the same thing. Secondly: repent: to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. Repenting is seeking forgiveness for your sins. Repentance is NOT giving up all sin. We are human, we are NOT perfect, we can NOT completely abolish sin from our lives. We are born into, live in, and die in sin. Show me a single human ever mentioned EVER, other than Jesus, that did not sin. Thirdly, see Se Ga Takai's post... where on earth is this said? 1) jesus=god=holyghost is true but it was told to us to baptize in the name of jesus not holyghost not god so if your baptized in titles it's not the same as baptizing in jesus name. 2) i didn't repentance was giving up your sin but having the heart to turn away from your sin what you just described was godly sorrow and as the bible says godly sorrow leadeth to repentance 3) as humans we may not be perfect but as true followers of christ we strive to reach perfection through the perfect example christ set for us. also we were not meant to die in our sin then what was the purpose of god coming down and being persecuted just to die in our sins. and if you read my 1st post i mention acts 2:36-38
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:20 pm
blakjapaneseangl Se Ga Takai blakjapaneseangl 3) speaking in tounges is neccesary. god gives people the gift to INTERPRET TOUNGES but speaking in tounges is the evidence that you have the holyghost. Where in anywhere does it even mention that speaking in Tongues is required? I can think of a few dozen scriptures that actually say the opposite. confused you have to show me those scriptures b/c every time someone got it they always spoke in tounges and acts 2:38 tells you this you made teh statement, you back it up. And; Acts 2:38-39 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 “For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” mentions nothing of Tongues.
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