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If a woman wants to keep her baby and the father does not want to be involved, she should raise it alone.

"Why do you want to punish the woman?" asks some idiot.

Why do you want to punish the man? I ask.

This is going from the assumption that the woman had the option of aborting the baby's life. She had a choice. Why doesn't the man?

"It takes away her reproductive freedom. If she can't afford to raise the baby alone, and the man won't help, she is effectively forced to abort."

And forcing the man to support the child/woman financially takes away his "reproductive freedom". Actually, that's already gone. Once he has sex, it's up to the woman whether he will reproduce. But it forces him to accept the child as his! Why do you want to punish the father?

And couples feel forced to abort or adopt out their children all the time! Should, then, some neighbor of theirs, or their parents, be forced to help them raise the child? My dad and his second wife gave their first child up for adoption. It's heart-breaking! How dare their parents not help them support the child?

OK, I guess that's all I have to say for now.

In that situation though, both sides should be working together. Afterall, they support choice...if she's only choosing abortion because she feels she needs to in order to finish her education or support herself, well what kind of choice is that?

The way it is now, men are told, "You should have thought about that before you had sex," yet saying the same thing to a woman is considered outrageous. Why? She can leave the child up for adoption. Yes, it's her body going through this, but what they usually complain about is the burden it puts on her to be a mother, not to be pregnant.

It's just as hard for men to lose their children as it is for women, and just as hard for a man to raise a child as it is for women. Why should men have no choice except the choice to have sex? They're being punished for having sex! How wrong!

Forced to abort? And they call themselves Pro-Choice?
Someone really needs to look up the definition of CHOICE.

Um, I hate this one.

Kay guys, I -don't- want to punish the woman. I love women as much as a 'mo can. I just don't want anyone, in this situation, to have to die to satisfy the wishes of the other.

And before you say "Oh, the woman's a SLAVE to the fetus! There's a chain from her uterus to her arm. *sob*" Sorry, she's not a slave-- and the child isn't a slave-owner for you to 'Rise Against', it's there because you had sex, and it's a life that was made because of your direct actions.

Where's the sense of responsibility people used to have for their own actions? Did the choicers rhetoric their way through any sort of accountability? Sure seems that way. 3nodding

False. They should have thought about the cost of children before they indulged in sexuality.
It's not the baby's fault it was born, or created, so why should a careless woman be permitted to ruin its only chance at Earth life?
Abortion is NEVER the solution. EVEN in the case of incest or rape. You can always find a better home for the baby, put it up for adoption, or find a solution. Killing one of God's children is NOT the answer to your problems: it's selfish and foolish. If you didn't want to have a baby, then you shouldn't have had sex.

And on the subject of "punishment" we aren't punishing him. He punished himself, the day, the moment, the second he decided to take advantage of someone. It was his choice, and if he can't handle the fact that he might have created a child, then that's his problem, and an irresponsable one, at that!

Ok, um, there's my rant for today. sweatdrop

Yay... equality confused

Yes I agree, have them get their own beer for once. I'm not a slave you know or a maid (if so I want to get paid for cooking and cleaning).