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I believe secularism is a religion, but the thing is, it's the religion of the state.

Just as I wouldn't push Catholicism into Paganism, I won't push it into secularism.

I will of course try to convince people that certain things in Catholicism are not only for the best, but fit in perfectly with the secular state, because I believe they do.

The reason people make threads like that is because the stereotype is prolifers are Christian nutjobs who are prolife because God says so.

With me...the secular state and my religion both say, don't steal. They both say, don't lie. They both say, don't kill people. It's okay for religion to back up reasons, in my opinion, but it won't be effective against people who don't believe in your religion.

It's not that.

The nutjob is a stereotype...with the angry Christian shoving a bible in your face and going JESUS LOVES YOU! While blatantly going against what the bible says and blowing up clinics. Interesting fact is that every person who is pro-life not only loves it when clinics get blown up, they aspire to blow up clinics because that's what God tells them to do.

Yeah, it's a very...narrow and closed-minded view. Whenever I say, I'm Catholic, people assume I'm going to start trying to convert them and tell them they should be against abortion because God loves babies. People have actually refused to listen to me because I say I'm Catholic. Personally, I think it's because they expect an easy fight and find instead a wall of arguments they hadn't thought of and hadn't expected to come from a religious person.

The sad part is, I'm not very religious at all, I can't imagine how it must be for people who are.

I'm pro-life.
I believe in God.

But even if I was an atheist, I'd still be pro-life.
My reasons are not religious.

Well, not quite. Secularism is an ideology, not a religion, that doesn't mean it can't be even more dangerous than extremist religious terrorism, and we just have to look to the old communist Russia and China to see how dangerous it can be (Russia will probably never recover from it).

Most secular humanists will say that their ideology isn't the same as communism but when you break it down, it is, since they want religious opinions kept silent and "secular doctrine" taught as fact to children.

If you read the literature of extreme atheists, such as Richard Dawkins, they want a world where someone should be embarrassed and ridiculed to have theistic beliefs; to be looked at as uneducated and "un-evolved" regardless of the persons education statues.

They get very angry whenever someone votes based on religious convictions and use the "separation of church and state" ad-nausea. They fear a theocracy even if the public decides to vote accordingly.

The truth is that a real "open-minded" person wouldn't care if you decided to vote based on secular or religious beliefs, since this is a democracy, not a fascist society

Wait . . . . what? I thought she was trying to say that religion shouldn't make the laws, it should back them up?

Personally, I think this is a very dangerous thing to say, as someone being "intelligent" does not necessarily mean that they are morally advanced. Dictators are usually intelligent, and are geniuses at getting people to follow them. That's how they become dictators. It doesn't mean that they use their power well.

Although I agree, to an extent. The idea of true, absolute Democracy where everyone is not only able to but -does- vote, scares me.

No one is arguing against that, but many secularists want to establish a one-world-of-athiest-humanism


Not everything that is being taught, in terms of how the universe became and evolution, are facts.
There are no facts that we evolved from sparks of energy, this is a theory, no different then the belief that we were created by a higher power.
The Big-Bang is also not factual, it's a theory.


We know that Santa Clause was made up because his myth was created in fairly recent times where we have data and other sources to prove he is simply a myth (no, I don't mean the actual person St. Nic of Myra, but the man with the flying reindeer sled lol )
There are, however, various sources about Yeshua (Jesus) as well as other events that occured in the Bible, such as a recent findings of Egyption hieroglyphics that recorded the exodus of the Jews by a man who is clearly Moses.
There are dozens and dozens of other theories and findings that have shown theism to be more realistic.
I'm not the greatest apologist but a good site to check is AnswerGenesis, since it's run by scientists who are believers in creationism and have stated their theories for their beliefs


Who cares if the belief angers you? You have your vote and they have theirs.
What motivates a person to vote a certain way is besides the point, it's that they have an equal right to voice their opinions as anyone


What you call intelligence, I call ignorance.
There is nothing intelligent about wanting a world governed by moral relavist who could call what is bad, good, and what is good, bad, whenever it suits them. I recently watched Pan's Labyrinth that showed how a moral relavist fascist government would work, the man shot and tourtured anyone who he liked, why? Because without a belief in an ulitmate power morality is relavent, therefore doesn't exist, meaning people can do whatever they want with no one to tell them it's wrong