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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:51 pm
Wow, it's been a long time since I started a topic. So forgive any mistakes or repetitive-ness... Oh, and forgive any spelling mistakes. X_x
So, a question that has been on my mind for a little while comes in the form of the debateably closest woman to Hiei; Mukuro.
 Yeah, we all know her. The only female "King" of the Makai. The only woman inside the anime and out who can relate to our beloved Hiei.
I've seen time and time again a lot of hatred towards her and can't help but wonder why? She's such a cool female character, and I don't say that willy nilly, trust me. I hate 98% of female anime characters for one reason or another.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not the biggest HieixMukuro fan. (I'm a hard core YusukexHiei fan personally. ninja ) Though I do support the couple to some extent. Which makes me wonder if that's why people don't like her. The possible pairing of her and Hiei. Which is all fine and good if you support something else like KuramaxHiei or something, but even so everyone has to admit that the ending of the series was leaning towards HieixMukuro and the "hints" of KuramaxHiei in the anime were there to please the fangirls. (But we were pleased, right? xD)
I hope there is no grudge against her because people out there would rather themself/mary sue/original character get Hiei. gonk Especially since no Mary Sue would ever catch Hiei's intrest provided he was real. Mukuro probably would.
I also hope people don't hate the pairing because she isn't as pretty as, say, Botan or something. Not that I think anyone in this guild would hate a char. for a reason like that, but I've seen the lowest of low from fangirls in various places on the internet and it disturbs me. gonk
So really this rant is basically to learn the reason(s) people don't like her, myself having supported her in the past. I mean, by all means, hate her. I hate characters *coughKagomecough* so you can hate whoever you want! Just let's hear some reasons so I can have a better understanding.
End rant. domokun
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:21 pm
Well said.Mukuro is an awesome character,and while I hate the thought of her with Hiei,I must admit that I'd want her with him more than anyone else.
Besides,she may not be the prettiest,but she isn't ugly either.She's pretty kickass too.Who else do we know that's beaten Hiei? I also think,with the exception of Genkai,she might be one of the wisest girls on the show too.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:23 am
HieixMukuro... nice pairing, shows promise, kinda cute, but I'm not too fond of it. I prefer KuramaxHiei to anything, aside from KarasuxKurama.
However, I do not hate Mukuro. I like her very much, actually, to the point that she might well be my favorite anime female.
Why? Because she is different than the majority of anime females. She is powerful, fairly beautiful, aside from being half machine, and most importantly, has a good attitude. Not good like, you know, the hyperactive irritating girl stereotype, but you can tell that she has a good heart, like Hiei.
The reason I think people hate her? It's obvious, really. The fangirls want Hiei all to themselves, or, as is the usual, their clone (Mary-Sue.)
And yes, the slight hints of KxH pleased me. 3nodding heart
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:04 pm
Damn you, Mary Sues! gonk
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:20 pm
The reason why I don't like Mukuro is simple: I find her to be one of the most boring characters around. There is nothing about her that even slightly interests me, and I also think her character is rather stereotypical and over used. We all know she was a slave and suffered abuse (pretty cliche right there), but in the manga it's known that she was sexually abused by her father (I don't know if the man was her biological father or not, but that's not the point), and she poured acid on herself as a result. Eventually she escapes and becomes consumed by hatred, and you know the rest . . . To me, it really is all stereotypical, especially when she's going on about her anger and hatred. I know what happened to her was awful, but Mukuro is just too cliche for me to even feel sorry for. I can't even find any admiration for her, as she let her anger control her. A stronger and wiser person wouldn't have let that happen. I also found her to be just a flat, static character. It wasn't until the very last episode did I see any character development or a different aspect to her, and it wasn't much. Below is something I wrote when I was still new to the guild about my opinion on Hiei/Mukuro and gives more reason why I don't like her: Autumn Lullaby I'll admit that I don't like Mukuro either, not because I'm jealous, but because I find her character to be very boring. (I'm sorry to the fans, I'm just stating my opinion sweatdrop ) I don't think they are in love, even though there is emotion coming from both sides. I think that emotion is respect and care, but not love. I find their relationship to be more of a friend/friend, employer/employee type of thing. Mukuro did assign Hiei as her heir and general, and I find it hard to believe you would do that to someone you were in love with. I also don't see that type of connection people who are in love have. At least with Kurama, Hiei shared everything about his past with him verbally and willingly. Mukuro found out about by looking through his mind without permission. To me, this violates Hiei's code, but there is not much he can do about it as Mukuro is stronger than him. Also, there was a part in the manga where Hiei politely asked about her father, which resulted him getting the crap beat out of him. Why is it okay for Mukuro to know everything about Hiei, but not the other way around? At least he asked about it, rather than peaking into her mind. For this, I doubt Hiei could love her. I'm not saying he dislikes her, because that isn't true. I'm just saying that I don't think they share anything beyond a good friendship. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but this is my opinion and I didn't mean to make anyone upset.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:08 pm
Actually, that is a view I hadn't thought of before. I find it interesting that you think that way, because I never realized it until you pointed it out.
I think as far as characters go, there is something sterotypical to all of them.
You've got Yusuke, the punk, Kurama, the pretty one, Kuwabara, the kinda slow comic relief, and Hiei, the anti-social one.
There are probably some more I could name, but I'm trying to keep this short.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:28 pm
I agree with Miz, they all have a very stereotypical aspect. However, Togashi makes them all individuals, never quite matched by any other character. There are many things about each that are very specific to that character, and they also have depth.
And really, who expects a completely original character? I sure as hell don't. The majority of normal people are clones of something or another. Look at the 'gothic/emo' fad, or the infinite amount of preppy girls.
Not everyone can be special like me and be a person all their own. xd [white text]Just kidding about that part.[/white text]
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:30 pm
Yes, I do agree that all the other characters have stereotypical traits to them, but they have other personality aspects to counteract with those traits. Hiei, for example, does come off as the darker, anti-social character, but he has proved to be an extremely loyal companion and loving brother. Also, while Kuwabara may come off as the "dumb" one, he's proved others wrong by getting into prep school with plans on going to college (I'm probably one of the few Hiei lovers with Kuwabara as their second favorite. ^^). Mukuro, on the other hand, has never shown me anything beyond the angry, abused slave stereotype. Her personality doesn't change and it gets old after awhile.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:35 am
Mukuro is a pretty cool character. I pretty much hate her for one reason and one reason only, she's with Hiei. She's completely different then the type of girl I would expect Hiei to be with, and it just erks me to no end.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:16 am
as a character, she's ok, but i honestly don't like the pairing, them together seems so bland
and besides, the fan girls would hate Mukuro for taking Hiei away from them
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:36 pm
Autumn Lullaby Yes, I do agree that all the other characters have stereotypical traits to them, but they have other personality aspects to counteract with those traits. Hiei, for example, does come off as the darker, anti-social character, but he has proved to be an extremely loyal companion and loving brother. Also, while Kuwabara may come off as the "dumb" one, he's proved others wrong by getting into prep school with plans on going to college (I'm probably one of the few Hiei lovers with Kuwabara as their second favorite. ^^). Mukuro, on the other hand, has never shown me anything beyond the angry, abused slave stereotype. Her personality doesn't change and it gets old after awhile. Well, DUH. Her character couldn't change because her character didn't have the whole series to improve. She was only in the last sixteen episodes. Dx It would be hard to introduce her character only to change it three episodes later. It would make her slave past meaningless. Plus, she did change where as she became less ruthless by becoming softer after having Hiei, much like how Hiei became softer after teaming up with Yusuke. Her past is similar to Hiei's. You can't call Mukuro a boring character without calling Hiei a boring character since they were so similar. Dx Just because she's not hot, you can't go down on her. xD Besides, I think she's a perfect girl for Hiei because Hiei is not vain and would care less about appearances. He would find a girl who can defend herself more attractive then say a Mary Sue with an American name that has neko ears and angel wings. X_x;Sad but true. Togashi is an expert at character-creating, in my opinion. EVERY one is a sterotype. Name someone who's not. xP Even in real life. *Ahem* His characters are all unique. I think he does a better job than, say, Rumiko Takahashi who se characters are all the same with different hair. (IE Kagome (IY) and Akane (Ranma 1/2)) /End rant. domokun
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:04 pm
Demon-Usagi Autumn Lullaby Yes, I do agree that all the other characters have stereotypical traits to them, but they have other personality aspects to counteract with those traits. Hiei, for example, does come off as the darker, anti-social character, but he has proved to be an extremely loyal companion and loving brother. Also, while Kuwabara may come off as the "dumb" one, he's proved others wrong by getting into prep school with plans on going to college (I'm probably one of the few Hiei lovers with Kuwabara as their second favorite. ^^). Mukuro, on the other hand, has never shown me anything beyond the angry, abused slave stereotype. Her personality doesn't change and it gets old after awhile. Well, DUH. Her character couldn't change because her character didn't have the whole series to improve. She was only in the last sixteen episodes. Dx It would be hard to introduce her character only to change it three episodes later. It would make her slave past meaningless. Plus, she did change where as she became less ruthless by becoming softer after having Hiei, much like how Hiei became softer after teaming up with Yusuke. Her past is similar to Hiei's. You can't call Mukuro a boring character without calling Hiei a boring character since they were so similar. Dx Just because she's not hot, you can't go down on her. xD Besides, I think she's a perfect girl for Hiei because Hiei is not vain and would care less about appearances. He would find a girl who can defend herself more attractive then say a Mary Sue with an American name that has neko ears and angel wings. X_x;Sad but true. Togashi is an expert at character-creating, in my opinion. EVERY one is a sterotype. Name someone who's not. xP Even in real life. *Ahem* His characters are all unique. I think he does a better job than, say, Rumiko Takahashi who se characters are all the same with different hair. (IE Kagome (IY) and Akane (Ranma 1/2)) /End rant. domokun I hate Rumiko Takahashi's work... >.< Besides in UY... That's the only anime from her I can stand...
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:00 pm
I don't give a damn about what she looks like. One of my favorite characters has a huge scar across his face and I love him. And, yes, I can call her a boring character but not think of Hiei as the same. The stories behind them are very different and that's what makes all the difference. They also act differently as well. What I consider boring and what others consider boring differ. Also, I never said anything about changing. It's called 'character development.' Sixteen episodes is plenty enough to see some different aspects of her. It wasn't until the last episode, and it didn't even last for more than a minute. If Mukuro was a main character, I probably would have ended up liking her, unfortunately she wasn't.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:58 pm
Personally, I like Mukuro^^ HieixMukuro is my favorite pairing, though I'd have liked to see a bit more development between them. But I guess they just didn't have enough time to fit that into the story. She's probably my favorite anime girl. I agree that normally I don't like girls in anime because they are generally noninteresting. I just like Mukuro^^ Rabid fangirls tend to disslike her solely because she has a relationship with Hiei. (And by relationship I just mean that they interact with each other.) Personally I think there wasn't very much character development, but it was enough for me to like Mukuro.
I haven't posted in this guild in forever^^"
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:46 pm
hiei4ever Personally, I like Mukuro^^ HieixMukuro is my favorite pairing, though I'd have liked to see a bit more development between them. But I guess they just didn't have enough time to fit that into the story. She's probably my favorite anime girl. I agree that normally I don't like girls in anime because they are generally noninteresting. I just like Mukuro^^ Rabid fangirls tend to disslike her solely because she has a relationship with Hiei. (And by relationship I just mean that they interact with each other.) Personally I think there wasn't very much character development, but it was enough for me to like Mukuro.
I haven't posted in this guild in forever^^" Join the club. xD Muku-chan is fun to draw, which is why I started to like her. xD No two people draw her alike. Hee hee
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