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ReRe_is_sweet

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:46 pm


Oil use is a large thing in my province (yep, Canada) and we benefit a lot of money from it. The tailing ponds are just one of the issues presented to our environment. To access the oil land must be cleared and torn up (in the oil sans). However our daily life is revolving around oil and gas products.

Do you think that the oil companies should continue digging up our owl, and consuming it at this rate?
Do you think that the Environmental hazards and concerns should be ignored?
What do you as a consumer think should be done?


please add in your opinions and (if you have) more information about the oil sans pros and cons.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:57 am


some days I wonder if some people are trying to kill the planet.
there are so many other resources for energy and such instead of oil.
I know these people that use used vegetable oil (like deep fryers and such) to run a mini bus and a car. -shrugs-

If we used veggy oil, we'd have farming jobs available.

Jacki Kane
Captain


NikkoGallarado
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:29 am


You know, I never knew of that one so we'll so I might be able to give a really good answer on how I can answer to this topic. But I know that we have something here where we can recycle old oil and use it for other things in the world like make roads and tar and some other things but that is one thing I know of others still a little in the dark for me cause I try not to drown my self in this one. But this dose bring up a interesting point about a video game I love playing. Final Fantasy VII is almost the same idea and concept of what is happening to our world but mins Jennova. XD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:43 pm


The oil is a good idea in theory, however they tried to do the same thing with corn. That caused the price of corn to go up because of a higher demand.
That made it hard for the mexicans to use corn, which is one of their fundamental ingredients in making tortillas and corn chips. It made them have to change.

I agree that it does seem like people hate our earth. but how can we do it with out taking others needed resources?

ReRe_is_sweet


Warrior of Metal

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:01 pm


I'm all for alternative energy where its practical, but until it becomes practical we need our oil. I think it is necessary for the global economy, and the US economy as well. If we could refine oil more then we could greatly reduce our dependence on foreign oil and thus improve out economy. The problem isn't drilling more, its being able to refine it here. And I'm not concerned with using it because, frankly, I don't believe in global warming. But that's for a whole other thread. Anyway, until it becomes completely practical to use alternative fuels without destroying the Mexican's way of life then I don't see what else we can do.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:08 pm


To me, if America is relying basically on just oil, I'd guess every little thing is going to rise. Paper and stuff like that. It's our everyday essential. I rather prefer to use solar, wind, hydrogen. It's practically renewable. We should have more of those "machines" Im not sure what's it called but it renews at least 1 trillion or couple billions of gallons of water. Gas prices are going down since people aren't traveling as much. There's always an animal part of a bridge link, and if an oil spill event occurs, yeah, bad stuff happens.

Guardian of the Heavens


Sith_Master_Steve

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:46 pm


Jacki Kane
If we used veggy oil, we'd have farming jobs available.

Food Prices would go up, Ethanol is not a solution!

The Planet is Fine People are Screwed!
You see There are many changes that the earth goes through with out human interaction. Like volcanoes, earthquakes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, magnetic re-alignment of the poles, thousands of years of impacts of comets, asteroids, and meteors, world wide floods, tidal waves, tsunamis, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, and recurring ice ages.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:58 pm


Sith_Master_Steve
Jacki Kane
If we used veggy oil, we'd have farming jobs available.

Food Prices would go up, Ethanol is not a solution!

But you can aslo use used veggy oil.
Everyone would be able to just make their own, after they were done cooking. haahaa.
And if we took all the money and people working on oil and put those resources toward vegetables food prices wouldn't go up because we would have so many farms and their would be jobs for people on these farms. You can't have a shortage of something that grows unless all the soil goes bad or something. I don't know I'm not too into the veggy oil thing, just something I have some knowledge on.

oOo I know, we could have indoor gardens and fields that are powered by wind and water energy!

Jacki Kane
Captain


Sith_Master_Steve

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:02 pm


Jacki Kane
Sith_Master_Steve
Jacki Kane
If we used veggy oil, we'd have farming jobs available.

Food Prices would go up, Ethanol is not a solution!

But you can aslo use used veggy oil.
Everyone would be able to just make their own, after they were done cooking. haahaa.
And if we took all the money and people working on oil and put those resources toward vegetables food prices wouldn't go up because we would have so many farms and their would be jobs for people on these farms. You can't have a shortage of something that grows unless all the soil goes bad or something. I don't know I'm not too into the veggy oil thing, just something I have some knowledge on.

oOo I know, we could have indoor gardens and fields that are powered by wind and water energy!

Food Prices would go up!
Let's take a closer look at corn production. In 2007, American farmers produced 13.1 billion bushels of corn, 10 percent of which was processed directly into human food. Another 2.9 billion bushels were used to make 7 billion gallons of ethanol, and corn-for-ethanol demand this year will go up to 4 billion bushels.

But even with that increase, there will be enough corn to supply the domestic market, increase exports to record levels, and stockpile a 10 percent surplus. Oil prices would be at least 15 percent higher without the ethanol currently blended into gasoline. That would drive food prices even higher.
Corn-based ethanol production will level out at 15 million gallons in 2015. Increases in ethanol production beyond that, to a target of 36 billion gallons by 2022, must come from cellulosic or other non-corn feedstocks.

The leading cellulosic contender is switchgrass, a hardy perennial that thrives in adverse conditions and can be grown virtually anywhere, including land not currently farmed. It absorbs carbon from the atmosphere and deposits it in the soil. Experimental strains are being developed for planting on marginal, highly erodible lands similar to those in the USDA Conservation Reserve Program - 35 million acres that farmers are currently paid not to plant.

Cellulosic ethanol production using existing technology is estimated to cost $2.25 per gallon, making it competitive with gasoline (assuming $120/barrel oil). Advanced processes are targeting a production cost of $1 to $1.50 per gallon. That would be below the cost of corn-derived ethanol.

Better crop yields will be key to increased biofuel production. An improvement of 55 percent would enable biofuels to satisfy as much as 40 percent of global fuel demand by 2030, easing the pressure on oil and substantially curbing CO2 emissions - all of which would be great news for consumers and the environment.

Eric Fedewa is Vice President, Global Powertrain Forecasts at CSM Worldwide (www.csmauto.com), a company that provides the automotive community with the knowledge and foresight to make well-informed, timely decisions.
^Source
http://www.greencar.com/features/trends-ethanols-impact-on-food/
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:17 pm


Sith_Master_Steve
Jacki Kane
Sith_Master_Steve
Jacki Kane
If we used veggy oil, we'd have farming jobs available.

Food Prices would go up, Ethanol is not a solution!

But you can aslo use used veggy oil.
Everyone would be able to just make their own, after they were done cooking. haahaa.
And if we took all the money and people working on oil and put those resources toward vegetables food prices wouldn't go up because we would have so many farms and their would be jobs for people on these farms. You can't have a shortage of something that grows unless all the soil goes bad or something. I don't know I'm not too into the veggy oil thing, just something I have some knowledge on.

oOo I know, we could have indoor gardens and fields that are powered by wind and water energy!

Food Prices would go up!
Let's take a closer look at corn production. In 2007, American farmers produced 13.1 billion bushels of corn, 10 percent of which was processed directly into human food. Another 2.9 billion bushels were used to make 7 billion gallons of ethanol, and corn-for-ethanol demand this year will go up to 4 billion bushels.

But even with that increase, there will be enough corn to supply the domestic market, increase exports to record levels, and stockpile a 10 percent surplus. Oil prices would be at least 15 percent higher without the ethanol currently blended into gasoline. That would drive food prices even higher.
Corn-based ethanol production will level out at 15 million gallons in 2015. Increases in ethanol production beyond that, to a target of 36 billion gallons by 2022, must come from cellulosic or other non-corn feedstocks.

The leading cellulosic contender is switchgrass, a hardy perennial that thrives in adverse conditions and can be grown virtually anywhere, including land not currently farmed. It absorbs carbon from the atmosphere and deposits it in the soil. Experimental strains are being developed for planting on marginal, highly erodible lands similar to those in the USDA Conservation Reserve Program - 35 million acres that farmers are currently paid not to plant.

Cellulosic ethanol production using existing technology is estimated to cost $2.25 per gallon, making it competitive with gasoline (assuming $120/barrel oil). Advanced processes are targeting a production cost of $1 to $1.50 per gallon. That would be below the cost of corn-derived ethanol.

Better crop yields will be key to increased biofuel production. An improvement of 55 percent would enable biofuels to satisfy as much as 40 percent of global fuel demand by 2030, easing the pressure on oil and substantially curbing CO2 emissions - all of which would be great news for consumers and the environment.

Eric Fedewa is Vice President, Global Powertrain Forecasts at CSM Worldwide (www.csmauto.com), a company that provides the automotive community with the knowledge and foresight to make well-informed, timely decisions.
^Source
http://www.greencar.com/features/trends-ethanols-impact-on-food/


Like I said, I don't really know about this stuff, but but now I know some flaws in it. Thanks.

Jacki Kane
Captain


ReRe_is_sweet

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:03 pm


Warrior of Metal
I'm all for alternative energy where its practical, but until it becomes practical we need our oil. I think it is necessary for the global economy, and the US economy as well. If we could refine oil more then we could greatly reduce our dependence on foreign oil and thus improve out economy. The problem isn't drilling more, its being able to refine it here. And I'm not concerned with using it because, frankly, I don't believe in global warming. But that's for a whole other thread. Anyway, until it becomes completely practical to use alternative fuels without destroying the Mexican's way of life then I don't see what else we can do.

In my mind not believing in global warning is not an excuse. we live in a system where all the aspects interact with one another. The fact that we release these gases isn't a problem however the rate that we are releasing it at is. Even if it isn't contributing to global warming it is contributing to the amount of smog which changes the albedo of earth. (The amount of sunlight reflected)
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:05 pm


Wow, you guys all have great opinions!

ReRe_is_sweet


BloodyxMarie

Invisible Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:43 pm


If we keep going at the rate we are, we aren't going to have any products that need oil. The only problem is that we are just so accustomed to our ways that we won't be able to stop without a lot of effort that people won't be willing to make.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:20 am


BloodyxMarie
If we keep going at the rate we are, we aren't going to have any products that need oil. The only problem is that we are just so accustomed to our ways that we won't be able to stop without a lot of effort that people won't be willing to make.

So are you suggesting a more sustainable product?
What would you suggest?

ReRe_is_sweet


xXxDanny glomps AndyxXx

PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:42 am


Well actually if we all went vegan and phased out the meat industry the large percentage of corn grown could go to ethanol.

But I'd say that algae fuel is the best choice for biofuel.
But biofuel is only a temporary solution.
If we used nothing but biofuel for years the farms would expand into more forest land etc and global warming would continue.

Solar,and wind are the only non destructive energy sources.
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