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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:01 pm


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HMS Agamemnon


Acadian Cajun - Sea Travel


Acadian Cajun
Ship Travel in the 1600s

The settlers who became known as Acadians made the trip to the New World aboard ships. For information on the trip, ship conditions, etc., see the sections below.

The only passenger ship list that we have from this era comes from the St. Jehan, which left France on April 1, 1636. Though a passenger list hasn't survived, it is known that the St. Jean made a trip to Acadia in 1647, and La Verve made the trip in 1648. [Emigration Rochelaise en Nouvelle-France, Archange Godbout, p. 142]

Though a passenger list hasn't survived, it is known that the St. Jean made a trip to Acadia in 1647, and La Verve made the trip in 1648. For example, births of children by the ********* brothers started appearing in Acadia in 1649 ... so it is thought that they may have come to Acadia aboard this vessel. Those two ships were chartered by Emmanuel Le Borgne, sieur de Coudray, to bring colonists and supplies to the colony. [Emigration Rochelaise en Nouvelle-France, Archange Godbout, p. 142]

When England took Acadia in 1654, French immigration stopped. It resumed under French control in 1670 and continued sporadically until Acadia was taken by England permanently in the early 1700s.

Since the settlers came over as engages and/or as colonists, they were probably considered passengers. Although not an enjoyable adventure, it would be nothing like what awaited them in the 1750s.

Once in Acadia, smaller boats were used in the area for fishing. It was not uncommon for an Acadian to have a small boat. Cadillac said that “The creolles ... travel most of the time by bark canoes. Their wives do the same, and are very bold on the water.” ["The Cadillac Memoir," p. 81] Meneval wrote of how the Acadians used “canots d’escorce comme les sauvages, ou d’autres petits canots qu’ils font eux mesme d’une troue d’arbre creuse” [AC, C11D-2(1), 206: 1688] He may have meant dugouts or canoes made of one large piece of bark. They also used larger boats (ie. fishing skiff), especially when carrying large loads. [Clark, p. 136]


Acadian Cajun
Ship Travel in the 1700s

Before the deportations, there were 2 types of sea travel involving Acadians. In one case, a few new settlers came to Acadia ... but not many. Also, boats were used while in Acadia for fishing and in a few cases, transportation

From 1755 to 1785, Acadians were deported by ship to Europe and territorial colonies. For the first wave of ship travel ... from 1755 to 1763, the Acadians were being forcefully deported ... packed in ships like sardines and suffered under terrible conditions. They weren't permitted to take their belongings. Hundreds died during travel and while being detained in ports. The Amitie
The Amitie
One of the seven 1785 ships

The next major sea movement of Acadians came in the latter 1760s and in 1785, when 3000 +/- Acadians sailed to Louisiana ... presumably under better conditions.


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Henry VIII's Ship - Mary Rose
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Acadian Cajun
Types of ships

The French navy had: men-of-war (vaisseaux), frigates, flutes, corvettes, and barges. The merchant marine (private ships) had: frigates, full-scale ships (navires), brigantines, schooners, and bateaux.

The man of war was a 3 masted ship with square sails and from 56 to 120 guns. They
were from 110 to 163 ft. long. [Proulx, p. 17] The frigate was also 3 masted with square sails and from 24 to 36 guns. It was 110 to 125 ft. long. It was faster than a man of war. The merchant frigate had only one deck. The flute was a cargo or transport vessel that could carry from 8 to 30 guns. It had a flat bottom and was large. Most had a large cargo port in the stern to load long
pieces of timber. They transported men and goods. The corvette was a small frigate and was used as a messenger ship across the Atlantic. It could carry from 10 to 22 guns. To unload men of war, they sometimes used barges (flat, broad-beamed vessels).

Private vessels included frigates, which were used for privateering or as escort vessels. So they were primarily warships, with capacities from 550 to 800 tons. The word “ship” (navire) was used to describe 3 masted vessels of 100 to 500 tons burden. [France, AM, Rochefort, 2G2,
bundles 2, 5, 7, 8] Brigantines had 2 masts, with a square foremast and a fore-and-aft rig on the
mainmast. The average tonnage was 87. Schooners were 2 masted vessels and were
lateen-rigged fore and aft. Their average tonnage was 61. Bateaux, with only 1 mast, had
an average tonnage of 55. Snows and doggers were 2 masted trading vessels, but never really crossed the Atlantic. [Proulx, p. 18-25]


Acadian Cajun
SAILING CONDITIONS

The time it took to cross over usually depended on the wind. The direction of the winds determined the sailing seasons and affected life in New France ... 6 months of activity, and 6 months of waiting. The trip from France to Acadia could take 7 weeks, and from Acadia to France might be 4 weeks ... but times varied. Navy ships made it faster than merchant vessels. The larger ships sailed better and took bad weather better. Mechant vessels also had smaller crews. The difference in times (east vs. west) is that the east wind blows 100 days/year, while the west blows 260 days/year. North Atlantic east winds blew strong in the autumn and winter; and many ships headed to Europe in the autumn. So the return trip was easier. Crossing times from France to Quebec ... 5 were more than 100 days and 8 in less than 40 days. The longest was a 117 day trip and the shortest a 35 day trip. [Proulx, p. 54-57]

A ship would travel about 20-30 leagues in a day, but rarely more than 50. Since the ports of New France were iced over from Nov. 15 to May 1, it was recommended to leave France before April 15 and to leave Acadia before the cold set in. Most of the kings’s vessels left France for Acadia between June 15 and July 15, and left Acadia for France in the last 2 weeks of October. [Proulx, p. 58]

Wind speed determined crossing times; ice determined the length of the sailing season. The greatest fear of seamen were gale force winds. Sails had to be reduced and sometimes waves carried goods off the deck. Montcalm said in 1756, “In stormy weather, it is impossible to stand, eat or sleep; everything must be secured, and, if we dared, we might be tempted to have ourselves tied down as well.” Water leaking in from a storm or crack in the hull spoiled provisions. Dry cargo would rot because there was no place to spread things out to dry. The hold was too crowed for the crew to go down and check on conditions. Pumps were installed beside the masts to get rid of water. If there was a big leak, the captain might have the ship heave to so that the crew could stuff oakum into the cracks. Big cracks were sealed by crew members who dove in and attached a leaden plate. Masts sometimes broke and had to be fixed. Sailors sometimes were stitching up torn sails at night by lamplight. Food couldn’t be cooked during a storm for risk of starting a fire. In bad weather, water would be everywhere ... even the bedding was soaked. [Proulx, p. 59]

Fog banks also were found as ships approached the Grand Banks. The fog made it hard to take celestial readings. The fog might cause a grounding, getting lost, or even running into another ship. Sometimes, drums were beaten or weapons fired as they sailed as a warning to other ships. [Proulx, p. 61-64]


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Acadian Cajun
INSIDE THE SHIP

Meals were eaten on deck in good weather; but cold and rain usually forced them to eat between-decks. Inside of the boat was not at all like today's cruise ships. The vessel was too be swept once a day and animal droppings thrown into the sea twice a day. Between-decks were to be aired in good weather and vinegar was used as a disinfectant when necessary. There was high humidity in the boat, what with the people and livestock in there. This caused condensation on the walls and beams. Water seeped into the hold and became stagnant. This led to unsanitary conditions. The day after a storm, the ship had to be aired out.

At night is was pitch black inside and passengers and sailors had to move about stooped over. The portholes were closed unless involved in a battle. Lanterns and candles were not
permitted for fear of fire. The only place for “socializing” was on the upper deck, but the weather often rendered that impossible.[Proulx, p. 104]

A sailor’s hammock was a 3x6 foot piece of canvas, suspended between beams by 2 or 4 (one at each corner) ropes. The French called them “branles” or “swings” because they swayed with the ship. One officer called them the “swinging graves”. There was one hammock for every 2 seamen. They slept fully clothed, in case of emergency. They also got a blanket. All hands slept between the decks. They often had to stoop, since the decks weren’t tall. On an 80 ton brigantine, the floor-ceiling distance was 3 1/2 ft. A 50 gun man of war had heights of only 5 ft. Passengers might sleep in the gun room at the stern of the ship ... on bunks set up in two or three tiers. The cots were corded with spun yarn and had a mattress. If there were too many passengers, some would sleep with the crew. A makeship partition of canvas or wood might be set up for privacy. [Proulx, p. 101]

The passenger area was noisy, with the rudder tiller passing through the gun room. It was dark and crowded. There was no privacy to change clothes so many stayed in the same dirty clothing. The movement of the ship would dismantle the cots and people would be flung on top of one another.

The infirmary was forward in the between-decks, and there were cots similar to the passenger area. Chief officers and important passengers slept in rooms or cabins under the quarterdeck. They had locks and paneling (to quieten noise). There was a wardroom; a large chamber used for chief officer meetings and as a dining room, under the quarterdeck. The kitchens were in the forecastle.

Live animals (such as pigs, sheep, chicken, cattle; usually only transported by men of war) were put between-decks in front of the sailmakers. Sometimes they were taken to be eaten; and sometimes to establish livestock in the New World. [Proulx, p. 102] Sometimes horses were transported. Animals were sometimes tossed around so much that they died.

Most provisions (powder, vegetables, sea biscuits) were stored in storerooms that were lined with plaster and hung with matting to protect against moisture.

FOOD

A seaman’s rations were usually less than he needed. More than half of the calories came from sea biscuits. The biscuits were pure wheat, unmixed with bran. They were baked 4-6 weeks before. The flour used was not always the best. If flour was questionable, it would be sold to use to make sea biscuits. The biscuits (hard tack) was packed into sacks of 55-60 pounds each. They were shaped like pancakes. Each was 14 ounces of dough cooked till it was 8-9 ounces. Each man got 18 oz. (~2 biscuits) a day. In port, everyone got fresh bread; on the voyage, only petty officers and the sick got it. Each crew member got 3/4 pint of red wine which was mixed with water to make 3 half-liter mugs of beverage. Most of the wine was from the Bourdeaux region. Wine was consumed first, because it didn’t keep well. Once a cask was opened, the wine would turn to vinegar after a short while.

A sailor’s breakfast was wine and a biscuit. In the French navy, bells and drums were used to signal the hours of rising, meals, watches, and sleep. The day began at 7 with prayers then breakfast. [Proulx, p. 100] There was change in shift about 6 PM, and everyone could eat. Under bad weather, when the cook couldn’t build a fire, biscuits made up most of the daily menu. Petty officers got a sardine and a little meat or cheese each morning. Lunch on “fish-days” (Wed., Fri., Sat.) was either rice, cod, cheese, or vegetables. Other days, called “flesh-days”, the meal included salt beef or pork. Vegetables and rice were cooked in the broth left over from the boiled meat or fish. Fresh meat was only available while in port. Live animals aboard ship for the table were for the captain’s table. The sick were allowed to have chicken and mutton. The supper meal included a biscuit, wine, and 4 ounces of vegetables (peas, broad beans, or kidney beans).

Rations for the sick also included eggs, fresh meat, rice, butter, plums, and sugar. [Proulx, p. 106] These meals really didn’t provide enough calories for the seamen. The lack of “fuel” probably contributed to their deep sleep when they got a chance to go to bed. The rations mentioned above were for seamen on the king’s vessels. [Proulx, p. 108] Vitamin deficiencies (like A and C) were common. [Proulx, p. 109]

A large cauldron was used to prepare the crew’s meal. The cook had to soak the meat for a while to remove the salt. The sailors gathered in groups of 7, and each group got a common grog-tub, mess bowl, cup and plate. Each man did get a spoon to himself. Now one could eat alone or at a non-meal time. There was no table, so that ate seated on the decks ... sometimes on a pile of planks or a chest. Dishes were never cleaned well, and they were wrapped with a greasy rag to stop them from tipping over. Utensils for the captain’s table were much more involved ... with plates, cauldrons, pots, pans, silverware, even pastry molds. [Proulx, p. 111]

ILLNESS

The most common disease was scurvy. They thought at that time that it was due to a steady diet of salted foods. To get better, a diet of fresh meat and vegetables was suggested. Although the effects showed after 4-5 months at sea. Though the crossing didn’t take that long, if a sailor didn’t get vitamin C in port, ... Fever was also bad ... common, hot, malignant, or purple. Sometimes it became epidemic and fatal. Though VIPs and officers had a better diet, illness struck them too. [Proulx, p. 112]

Smallpox was a deadly threat and could kill in a day. Food poisoning, though not as fatal, was also occuring. Infections and lice were two other problems. Working in wet, dirty clothes led to chills, fevers, and the spread of disease. Sickness was felt in that it reduced the crew numbers. [Proulx, p. 113]

Perhaps 1/2 the vessels had surgeons. Blood letting was a common “cure.” Surgeons kept a variety of medicines (stimulants, narcotics, liniments, purgatives, and gargles) and knew how to dress wounds. Some had medical books with them. One sailor’s “home remedy” for fever prevention was to drink some brandy with garlic in it ... in one gulp (but this smelled). [Proulx, p. 115-16]

RELIGION

A navy ordinance in 1681 stated a chaplain be on board the king’s vessels; but the church couldn’t provide all captains with a chaplain. [Proulx, p. 117] Even though a chaplain might not be on board, morning and evening prayers (and a refrain from swearing) were encouraged. When danger threatened, religious beliefs shone through. Sometimes a vow was made if things got really rough. On king’s vessels, the chaplain said mass and recited the Angelus before meals. On Sundays and feast days, attendance at mass and vespers was mandatory for the crew ... even those at their post listened in. [Proulx, p. 118] Religious services took place on the deck, so all could participate ... even soldiers at their station. Those who didn’t attend services were given 6 lashes. Funerals are rarely mentioned. The funerals went fairly quickly, as the body was thrown in the sea. [Proulx, p. 121]

DISCIPLINE

Desertions occured, especially when a man got advance pay. [Proulx, p. 123] With the 1681 naval law, sailors who jumped ship during fitting out had to make the voyage without pay. Those who deserted in route were flogged. Before 1689, deserters from the king’s vessels were executed; after that they were condemned to the galleys for life. Some captains gave deserters a ducking with a hoist attached to the end of a yard. A dry ducking was when the fall was stopped before he hit the water. Sometimes a keel hauling was done. The executor would drag the person under the boat from one side to the other across the keel. Getting knocked out and drowning was a certain possibility. Theft wasn’t really a problem ... what was there to steal. But provisions were kept under lock and key. Sailors’ revolts usually took the form of refusal to work. [Proulx, p. 124]

FREE TIME

Some of the French settlers to Acadia may have been treated to a baptism at sea. The biggest ceremony at sea was the mandatory baptismal ceremony for all vessels and people crossing over the Grand Banks for the first time. The individual would have to report to a crew member who was disguised to look as boorish as possible. He then had to sit on a pole over a barrel full of water and make an offering of money to the crew. If he didn’t offer the money, they’d let him drop into the barrel or soot him (if the weahter was bad). The money collected went to buying brandy for the crew. Passengers didn’t seem to appreciate the ceremony. Missionaries saw it as a mockery of baptism and didn’t like it.

Another pastime was that the crew might fire a round from their muskets at an ice floe. A feast day (such as Saint Louis’ Day - Aug 25) meant a few cannon shots and a meal at the captain’s table. [Proulx, p. 127] Officers might listen to music, and some even played an instrument (ie.
harpsichord, bass, etc.). Sailors could also smoke a pipe, dance on the quarterdeck, and sing. If they played cards, chess, or dice, they couldn’t play for money. [Proulx, p. 128]
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:06 pm


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The Prince William & Stavros S Niarchos

Tall Ships Adventures


The Jubilee Sailing Trust
Promotes both able-bodied and disabled people sailing


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Jubilee Sailing Trust
 

DM_Melkhar
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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:36 pm


I'm going sailing with the Tall Ships Trust from the 3rd to the 9th of September this year. It was my 21st birthday present from my brother Michael.

I will be on board the Prince William, which is one of the ships mentioned above, and will be a trainee crew member like quite a few others. Their website mentions a lot more, but this is something I've wanted to do for a long time and now I'm finally going to be doing it!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:39 am


*Yells* Where is everybody!?

DM_Melkhar
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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:39 pm


The Tall Ships Youth Trust are selling one of their brigs unfortunately, and are buying for yachts *hack*. I don't like yachts. They're just not impressive or magnificent and don't give off that aura of grandeur that tall ships do.

Pardon me but, hello I made this a sticky for a reason.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:18 pm


Your have got to be one of the luckiest indivduals ever. You live in an amazing country, and everyday you are surrounded by majestic architecture. I even you with the trip on the tall ships , but I hope you have a great time, and take as many pictures as you can, and hopefully you'll share with all of us. 3nodding

lil taris


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:17 am


I'll certainly endeavour to do that. This topic isn't about my voyage though, it just involves the subject. sad
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:18 pm


I have little to contribute, I don't live near any form of Tall Ship, and I don't plan on seeing one until the day I finally snap and write my Bay Drawf Sea Saga, but until then I'm happy on land. I once lived on a boat for a few months, but that wasn't a tall one.

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:27 pm


Why wait!? Save up and go with the TSYT! They do transatlantic voyages for goodness sake. Go on www.tallships.org and have a look. I never thought I'd do something like this and I have and will continue to do so. Don't wait for it unless you have issues with cash, seriously. Do it while you're still young, it's an amazing experience. I've realised that I've got the love of the sea and the salt in my blood (metaphorically speaking), so I'm going to continue to do it. Not everyone does, but it really is something to be experienced. Just don't wait until later in life. Have a look on youtube. I am on all the Tall Ships Youth Trust groups, including the one for the voyage I went on - PW422.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:16 am


smile I feel your pain about people not commenting in threads, believe me.

My father-in-law was in the US Coast Guard, and got to sail several times on the ship they train their young'uns on; it's an early 20th-century cutter built in Germany and seized after WW2. Info on it can be found here:

http://www.uscg.mil/History/WEBCUTTERS/Eagle_1946.html

I'm really glad they re-named it. *growls*

My favourite tall ships are probably "classic" pirate ships, explorer's vessels, and clinker-built babies like they were using in the Tudor era and later. I think the first such ships with which I fell in love were Columbus' ships, the Niña, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria--caravels all. Lovely things really... A group created what is billed as the most historically accurate copy of the Niña ever, and you can see it here on the web:

http://www.thenina.com/

Starting in December 2007 the ship will actually be available for voyages! Field trip, anyone?? smile

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:33 am


May I point out that to classify as a tall ship it has to have two or more masts? I didn't see a picture of that 1946 one, but if it's iron-clad and looks anything like a modern aircraft-carrier then I'm just not interested.

The Nina looks nice, and it's certainly amongst my interests, but what about the following:

  • Model - HMS Prince

  • Model - HMS Sovereign of the Seas

  • Earl of Pembroke - Have actually seen and been on board
    (she's been in films: Treasure Island, Cutthroat Island,
    Amazing Grace & Shaka Zulu + more)

  • Tenacious - Seen her, not been on board.
    She's one of the Jubilee Sailing Trust's vessels.

  • Lord Nelson - The other ship that belongs to the Jubilee Sailing Trust

  • Prince William - I think this is the one the Tall Ship Youth Trust
    is selling, and she's the one I sailed on between 3rd-9th September this year.

  • Stavros S Niarchos - the Tall Ships Youth Trust's other brig.

  • Grand Turk - Missed the chance to see her as I was on my voyage at the time,
    but she was in the drama Hornblower.

  • Painting of HMS Victory - Nelson's famous flagship - seen her and
    been on board (absolutely beautiful).

  • The Bounty - Available for cruises I believe.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:43 am


Those are all neat, thanks for the links!

JastaElf
Crew


Widigo

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:55 am


Does anybody have a good source for blueprints/schematics/plans (whatever you wish to call them) for Spanish galleons no time period is important i just need the basics. I know it may not count as a tall ship, but there are three in my current piece, and then the same bluematiplans (new word) for tall ships. I'll need clear ones that I can look at I have to develop the Atlantean Elves ships. I've found one or two good ones, but thought that in your research you may have found others.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:05 pm


DM_Melkhar
May I point out that to classify as a tall ship it has to have two or more masts? I didn't see a picture of that 1946 one, but if it's iron-clad and looks anything like a modern aircraft-carrier then I'm just not interested.


Why do you dislike Ironclad ships. They've been awesome ever since The Great Confederate State used them to remove quite a few yankees. They're awesome. I'm not here to argue as tall ships are just as awesome. I just wonder why you don't favor them. They don't have that royal look to them, but I still love them for their history and the extra layer of detail that the concept of Ironcladding gives me to work with when designing ships of my own. The Elves have a few in my latest piece. I just wanted to here from the other side of the coin.

I'm with you on Aircraft Carriers, weapons are becoming less and less artistic as time progresses.

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:10 pm


Anything with two or more masts classes as a tall ship pretty much and anything with two masts or more is what I am passionate about. HMS Warrior is ironclad but she's also a three masted tall ship, so she's within my passion. The modern ships just don't do it for me.

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Galleons are tall ships of a larger kind. Those above are Spanish Galleons....those are a type of tall ship. Anything with two masts that bears sails is a tall ship. Some say that even large one masted vessels can be classified as that as well, but they are more in the line ofn boats and they're just not impressive.

It'll be difficult to find schematics for that kind of thing unless you buy a proper book. There's a cheap book you can get on Amazon or even in bookstores - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spanish-Galleon-1530-1690-New-Vanguard/dp/1841766372/ref=sr_1_1/203-2565636-0478355?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190581995&sr=1-1

I own one that LazarusOwenhart bought me about HMS Victory. It shows all the construction and rigging plans. I'm designing a ship of similar size you see.

If anyone wants to know information about tall ships of any kind, just let me know and I'll tell you what I can. I've researched them for two years and I've just sailed on one (and will sail on them again and again and again - etc).
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