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So whats so bad about anarchy?Why dont people feel that is not in their lives?
iis anarchy chaos?yes of course it is.But is it destructive or constructive.The is both we destroy a life no masters but rights having only common sense in peoples life.so is it really chaotic ,only in peoples dictionary but in people who really want freedom, its a way of life to survive in this materialistic world by living enslaved by peoples objects.
Yes it is so much better to live with no government No rules, survival of the fittest eh? Sounds lovely doesn't it? No idea when your next meal is wondering if your going to survive the night with out getting your throat slit such a great idealistic world.

In all seriouseness Anarchy bites there is no security, always wondering how Im going to catch or steal my next meal. Wondering what gruesome death awaits me at the hands of only god knows what. I would prefer to live in a progressive society where I am protected by laws and those who enforce it, can easily work get money and not only by food when ever I need it but anything else I want. I don't have to ramage around the woods like some mangy animal. ya I have to follow some rules, pay some taxes, but its well worth it.
I like the idea of anarchy but think it out. A society with no rules or anything? It's a nice thought but highly improbable. What do you do about those who kill someone or steal? Let them off? Let the people themselves punish them? Everything would get out of hand.
If, ideally speaking, you had perfect people who never did things like that and who wouldn't be tempted to, then it may work. But those people wouldn't be humans beause humans screw up and need some guidelines- be they speed limits or no murdering.
i dont want anarchy,i want peace. As long as there is a government there will be war and chaos. If we would share the world and treat eachother with respect and not be so stupid. We need to take responsibity for our actions. what ruined the world was religion,governments,and stupidity.
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I like the idea of anarchy but think it out. A society with no rules or anything? It's a nice thought but highly improbable. What do you do about those who kill someone or steal? Let them off? Let the people themselves punish them? Everything would get out of hand.
If, ideally speaking, you had perfect people who never did things like that and who wouldn't be tempted to, then it may work. But those people wouldn't be humans beause humans screw up and need some guidelines- be they speed limits or no murdering.
thats why in my idea of a perfect world there would be no need for killing and stealing. Stealing derives from the want of material possesions. But these things are not needed.
Oh? So things to wear, things to sit on, and things to cook with and keep your house warm or cool aren't needed? Heck, houses are't needed? No computers, since yo own those?

Material possessions are necessary to live, that's one of the things that gave humans an edge up. Everything that is not your naked body is a material possession.
Reverend Smooth
Oh? So things to wear, things to sit on, and things to cook with and keep your house warm or cool aren't needed? Heck, houses are't needed? No computers, since yo own those?

Material possessions are necessary to live, that's one of the things that gave humans an edge up. Everything that is not your naked body is a material possession.
im saying material possesions shouldnt be needed,in todays world you need money to live,which is wrong,but to say that a computer is really needed to be happy is wrong. We should only get what we need in my perfect world. I may enjoy this comp but it is not needed for me to be happy. I would be happy with it or without it.
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I like the idea of anarchy but think it out. A society with no rules or anything? It's a nice thought but highly improbable.

Well, actually it depends on what kind of anarchist you are. Left anarchists to my understanding want as little rules and guidlines yes. Practically total freedom. That still doesn't mean that there could be a morals based "guideline" for an anarchist community. Right Anarchists (anarcho-capitalists) on the other hand do have a form of police and some sort of rules. Since they'd still have privately owned businesses they could set up guidelines for the people working there. They'd still have their freedom, they'd just have to use common sense. Also anarcho-caps believe in a privately run form of police. While some consider this would result in a form of mafia, they'd still have a way of keeping people out of trouble.
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What do you do about those who kill someone or steal? Let them off? Let the people themselves punish them? Everything would get out of hand.

As before, it depends on what kind of anarchist society you live in. Here's an example of what would happen in an anarcho-capitalist society. Lets say you come home from work and you see someone stealing your TV. You call your private police/lawkeeping firm and they send people out. They track down the person and go to his/her home to see if your TV is there. The person calls his/her firm though and they come out with weapons and will fire on your firm if they try to enter the house to find the TV. Both firms realize that if a 'war' breaks out between their firms a third firm can come in and with a cheaper price help people. Since they don't want to lose customers over the conflict they decide to go ahead and let your firm search the place. They find your TV there. You bring the serial number and prove it's yours. The conflict is ended. What happens to the person who stole the TV will probably stay as he/she is or be punished by your firm. It would depend on what the agreement was between the firms.

And why do you think people will want to steal and cheat and try to put other people down? Do you believe in human nature? I myself think human nature is a cop-out. I think people are driven to do things by how they've been brought up and what ideals have been given to them. Maybe the first year or two in an anarchist society would be sketchy, but given time people would improve their ideals and embrace their new culture.
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If, ideally speaking, you had perfect people who never did things like that and who wouldn't be tempted to, then it may work. But those people wouldn't be humans beause humans screw up and need some guidelines- be they speed limits or no murdering.

I think I already addressed this issue in my previous comment, but if you'd like more clarity I'd be glad to continue this discussion.
But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
Reverend Smooth
But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
you dont need material possesions to be happy though. Im not saying you shouldnt have them just dont let them end up owning you. If watching T.V makes you hapy go for it,but ask yourself,"Do I need this to be happy?"
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But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
I quite agree with this. People can keep what they have toand it wouldn't necessarily bring down a society.

@illkillyourmother: I'm guessing you're an anarcho-primitivist by what you've written. I'll try to take that into consideration when doing this post. I try to respect all ideals for politics (and lack there of).
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im saying material possesions shouldnt be needed,in todays world you need money to live,which is wrong,but to say that a computer is really needed to be happy is wrong. We should only get what we need in my perfect world. I may enjoy this comp but it is not needed for me to be happy. I would be happy with it or without it.
You could still have money in an anarchist society. Having just what is needed could get you by yes, but if someone had more than another, it'd lead to violence to try to equalize the oppression. In the transition to an anarchist society do you honestly think that everyone would just give up their luxurious possesions? People have become too accustomed to having all of their technological advancements. Unless you did an armed revolution and forced everyone to give their posessions up then I doubt many people would do what you wanted. And if you did use your power and weapons to make people do it, wouldn't it be just as bad as having the "big brother" government figure?
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But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
I quite agree with this. People can keep what they have toand it wouldn't necessarily bring down a society.

@illkillyourmother: I'm guessing you're an anarcho-primitivist by what you've written. I'll try to take that into consideration when doing this post. I try to respect all ideals for politics (and lack there of).
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im saying material possesions shouldnt be needed,in todays world you need money to live,which is wrong,but to say that a computer is really needed to be happy is wrong. We should only get what we need in my perfect world. I may enjoy this comp but it is not needed for me to be happy. I would be happy with it or without it.
You could still have money in an anarchist society. Having just what is needed could get you by yes, but if someone had more than another, it'd lead to violence to try to equalize the oppression. In the transition to an anarchist society do you honestly think that everyone would just give up their luxurious possesions? People have become too accustomed to having all of their technological advancements. Unless you did an armed revolution and forced everyone to give their posessions up then I doubt many people would do what you wanted. And if you did use your power and weapons to make people do it, wouldn't it be just as bad as having the "big brother" government figure?
thats why im saying we need a evolution of somesorts or perhaps a revalation,to make us realize we dont need these things and i dont think it would lead to violence because if we were all happy with what we have then why would we want more? Just another want for material possesions.
illkillyourmother
Reverend Smooth
But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
you dont need material possesions to be happy though. Im not saying you shouldnt have them just dont let them end up owning you. If watching T.V makes you hapy go for it,but ask yourself,"Do I need this to be happy?"
Yes. Yes, I do.

I farm organically in my spare time. I grow some of my own food, could move to growing it all if I had to. But yanno what? Farming is boring. I like eating the fruit of my work, but ******** is it boring. TV, the internet, other things give me something to do with my brain. If all i got to do was work and had to go without material possessions-

Wait, I have. It's called poverty. And it's BORING. If you don't own anything, you don't have anything to do. No car, can't travel. No tv and no internet, no way to access information. No books, same thing. No computer, same thing. And so on. Going back to a primitive way of life is unbelievably boring. I have had many days of just sitting around, having nothing to do but growing s**t in my garden and sleeping. And oh my GOD, is that ever boring. I wanted to put myself ot of my own misery.
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illkillyourmother
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But why do you have to limit things in order to be happy? As long as no one's getting hurt, there's no reason why having stuff shouldn't make you happy. Being happy is good.
you dont need material possesions to be happy though. Im not saying you shouldnt have them just dont let them end up owning you. If watching T.V makes you hapy go for it,but ask yourself,"Do I need this to be happy?"
Yes. Yes, I do.

I farm organically in my spare time. I grow some of my own food, could move to growing it all if I had to. But yanno what? Farming is boring. I like eating the fruit of my work, but ******** is it boring. TV, the internet, other things give me something to do with my brain. If all i got to do was work and had to go without material possessions-

Wait, I have. It's called poverty. And it's BORING. If you don't own anything, you don't have anything to do. No car, can't travel. No tv and no internet, no way to access information. No books, same thing. No computer, same thing. And so on. Going back to a primitive way of life is unbelievably boring. I have had many days of just sitting around, having nothing to do but growing s**t in my garden and sleeping. And oh my GOD, is that ever boring. I wanted to put myself ot of my own misery.
ever hear of freinds?
Yes. If you have nothing, what the ******** do you do? Sit around and stare all day? You can't go out, you don't have hobbies (they require stuff and are not NEEDed). Talk about the stuff you DON'T do because you don't have stuff?

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