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Yeap, it's that time again.

_Intro

Based upon the observations I've been making over the past few months about the R&B knowledge-level in this subforum, I feel that Hip-Hop 101 needs a new friend.

**Rhythm & Blues 101**
Welcome to a mini noitacu installment. Perhaps to be later expanded.


That's right. "R&B" stands for "Rhythm & Blues"... and nothing else.

+ What is it?:
Originally, the term "R&B" was used for the genre which is now known to most as "Soul". Much like the distinction between the genres of Rap and Hip-Hop, it is debatable as to whether or not R&B and Soul are still the same. I, personally, feel there is a difference between the two and that modern R&B is mainly rooted in its "Soul counterpart". [[But since this isn't the "Rap/Hiphop/R&B/Soul" subforum (yet), I won't get too deeply into that right now.]] It is, however, agreed that Jazz, Blues, and Gospel are three of the greatest influences upon both "traditional" and modern R&B. The term "R&B" resurfaced in popularity mostly during the 80's. Newer genres which are often times associated or coincide with R&B include New Jack Swing, Neo-Soul, Electro-Funk, and Hip-Hop.

+ What isn't it?:
While R&B may be a popular genre, it is not Pop. Popular R&B artists are not Pop artists.
For instance, Britney Spears is not an R&B artist, even if she sometimes portrays R&B influences.
I will attempt to clear up this widespread misunderstanding in the following sections.

+ How do I make the distinction between R&B and Pop?:
Well, I think the best way is to listen to and compare similar R&B and Pop artists... or better yet, listen to R&B artists who have become or are becoming Pop artists.

{{R&B vs Pop}}
Here is a basic color coded list of R&B artists, transitional artists, and Pop artists who have R&B roots/influences.

[ Key ]
[ Red = R&B artists who've not been sucked into the mainstream mold ]
[ Dark Red = R&B artists who are gradually becoming Pop artists ]
[ Black = R&B artists who've become Pop artists / Pop artists + R&B influences ]


Public Announcement
Ready For The World
Brand New Heavies
Tony Rich (Project)
Anthony Hamilton
Tony! Toni! Tone!
Vanessa Marquez
Alexander O'Neal
Donny Hathaway
Whitney Houston
Syleena Johnson
Kenny Lattimore
Jazzyfatnastees
Tevin Campbell
Raphael Saadiq
Musiq Soulchild
Chico DeBarge
Groove Theory
Brian McKnight
Bel Biv Devoe
Mint Condition
Amel Larrieux
Gerald Levert
Koffee Brown
Vivian Green
Carl Thomas
Erykah Badu
Mary J. Blige
Donell Jones
John Legend
Kino Watson
Boyz II Men
Angie Stone
No Question
Marc Nelson
Glenn Lewis
Nicole Wray
Soul II Soul
Keith Sweat
Vinia Mojica
K-Ci + JoJo
Soul 4 Real
Faith Evans
Blackstreet
Sam Salter
El DeBarge
Johnny Gill
Alicia Keys
Morris Day
Joss Stone
Lauryn Hill
Aaron Hall
Lucy Pearl
Art N Soul
Al B. Sure
Eric Benet
Immature
All-4-One
En Vogue
The Time
Babyface
Keystone
D'Angelo
Jill Scott
Fantasia
X-scape
Maxwell
H-Town
Dru Hill
Aaliyah
Latrelle
Amerie
Profyle
Floetry
Jodeci
J-Shin
Prince
Dwele
Avant
Troop
Allure
Rome
Ideal
Case
SWV
Next
Seal
Bilal
Lyfe
LSG
Res
702
Silk

Joe
112
TLC
Kelis
Isyss
Usher
Jon B.
Tyrese
Brandy
Ashanti
Ginuwine
New Edition
Jagged Edge
Bobby Brown
Mariah Carey
Janet Jackson
Montell Jordan
Jennifer Lopez
Ruben Studdard
Uncle Charlie Wilson

Christina Aguilera
Justin Timberlake
Ashlee Simpson
Michael Jackson
Christina Milian
Britney Spears
Destiny's Child
Kelly Clarkson
Nate Dogg
Beyonce
Omarion
R. Kelly
Sisqo
Ciara
Mario
IMX
B2K
J.lo


One way to understand the difference between the two is to examine the lyrical content. Both R&B and Pop lyrics are generally centered around romance. However, it could be said that R&B lyrics discuss love in a much deeper or more conceptual way, whereas Pop lyrics discuss love in a much more naive or superficial way.
Here's a pretty good quote about the lyrical content of Pop:

David Holbrook
The attitude to sexual love in the 'pop' song is so ugly and mechanical as to seem schizoid, and psychopathological. Exposed as they are to such powerful cultural statements, young people are being encouraged to forfeit genuine commitment in love in favour of depersonalised sexual activity, with an undercurrent of violence, and to take false solutions in which they must deny their deepest needs, by hate.


+ Many R&B artists crossover into Neo-Soul.
For more info on that visit Neo-Soul 101 !!


+ I still don'a understand what'a you mean.
I'll go over some of the R&B artists who have become Pop stars. Since I know 90% of the people in here probably have the attention span of a newborn baby... I'm going to keep them as short and simple as I can.

_R. Kelly R.I.P. (1992-199 cool _

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The R. Kelly story is rather depressing to me... for he was once my favorite solo R&B artist.

Once there was a young man by the name of Robert Kelly. He was a very talented R&B artist, releasing several to-be classic R&B albums. One day, a tape surfaced which many angry people found to be naughty and evil. He was in a big trouble, and felt that he couldn't make music the same way anymore if he wanted to save his career. So he took on a new persona which pleased the angered masses. He began making more "catchy" music, with happy melodies, beats, and smiling sunshine. He became the enchanted "Pied Piper", and the masses followed him into doom just like the rats from that fairy tale.

THE END


+ Moral of the Story:
Listen to R. Kelly's 12 Play and then to his Happy People/U Saved Me. If you still can't tell the difference, more helpful hints are to come.

[...Immature to IMX coming soon among others]
{{R&B Essentials}}
You pretty much don't know R&B if you havn't heard these albums.

_Jodeci - Forever My Lady_
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1. Stay
2. Come & Talk to Me
3. Forever My Lady
4. I'm Still Waiting
5. U & I
6. Interlude (553 Nasty)
7. My Phone
8. Gotta Love
9. Playthang
10. It's Alright
11. Treat U
12. XS We Share

_Aaliyah - Age Ain't Nothing But A Number_
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1. Intro
2. Throw Your Hands Up
3. Back And Forth
4. Age Ain't Nothing But A Number
5. Down With The Clique
6. At Your Best (You Are Love)
7. No One Knows How To Love Me Quite Like You Do
8. I'm So Into You
9. Street Thing
10. Young Nation
11. Old School
12. I'm Down
13. Back And Forth (Mr. Lee And R. Kelly Mix)

_Aaliyah - One In A Million_
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1. Beats 4 Da Streets (Intro)
2. Hot Like Fire
3. One In A Million
4. A Girl Like You
5. If Your Girl Only
6. Choosey Lover (Old School/New School)
7. Got To Give It Up
8. 4 Page Letter
9. Everything's Gonna Be Alright
10. Giving You More
11. I Gotcha' Back
12. Never Givin' Up
13. Heartbroken
14. Never Comin' Back
15. Ladies In Da House
16. The One I Gave My Heart To
17. Came To Give Love (Outro)

_New Edition - S/T_
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1. Cool It Now
2. Mr. Telephone Man
3. I'm Leaving You Again
4. Baby Love
5. Delicious
6. My Secret (Didja Get It Yet?)
7. Hide and Seek
8. Lost in Love
9. Kinda Girls We Like
10. Maryann

_New Edition - Heart Break_
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1. Introduction
2. That's the Way We're Livin'
3. Where It All Started
4. If It Isn't Love
5. N.E. Heart Break
6. Crucial
7. You're Not My Kind of Girl
8. Superlady
9. Can You Stand the Rain
10. Competition
11. I'm Comin' Home
12. Boys to Men

_Erykah Badu - Baduizm_
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1. Rimshot (Intro)
2. On & On
3. Appletree
4. Otherside of the Game
5. Sometimes [Mix #9]
6. Next Lifetime
7. Afro [Freestyle Skit]
8. Certainly
9. 4 Leaf Clover
10. No Love
11. Drama
12. Sometimes...
13. Certainly [Flipped It]
14. Rimshot (Outro)

_H-Town - Fever For Da Flavor
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1. Introduction
2. Can't Fade da H
3. Treat U Right
4. Fever for da Flavor
5. Sex Me
6. H-Town Bounce
7. Keepin' My Composure
8. Interlude
9. Lick U Up
10. Knockin' Da Boots
11. Won't U Come Back
12. Baby I Wanna

_702 - No Doubt_
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1. 7 (Interlude)
2. Where My Girls At?
3. You Don't Know
4. Make Time
5. 0 (Interlude)
6. You'll Just Never Know
7. Finally
8. Tell Your Girl
9. Gotta Leave
10. Don't Go Breaking My Heart
11. 2 (Interlude)
12. What More Can He Do
13. Seven
14. Will You Be Ok

_112 - S/T_
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1. Intro
2. Now That Were Done
3. Pleasure and Pain
4. Why
5. Cupid
6. Call My Name
7. Come See Me
8. Sexy You
9. Can I Touch You
10. I Can't Believe
11. Keep It Real
12. Only You
13. I Will Be There
14. In Love With You
15. Just a Little While
16. Why Does
17. This Is Your Day
18. Throw It All Away
19. Only You [Clean Radio Mix]

_Blackstreet - Another Level_
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1. Black & Street Intro
2. This Is How We Roll
3. No Diggity
4. Fix
5. Good Lovin'
6. Let's Stay In Love
7. We Gonna Take U Back (Lude)/Don't Leave Me
8. Never Gonna Let You Go
9. I Wanna Be Your Man
10. Taja's Lude (Interlude)
11. My Paradise (Interlude)
12. Deja's Poem
13. (Money Can't) Buy Me Love
14. Blackstreet (On The Radio)
15. I Can't Get You (Out Of My Mind)
16. I'll Give It To You
17. Happy Song (Tonite)
18. Motherlude
19. The Lord Is Real (Time Will Reveal)

_Mint Condition - From The Mint Factory_
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1. Intro: Welcome to the Mint Factory
2. Nobody Does It Better
3. If It Feels Right
4. Devotion
5. Someone to Love
6. U Send Me Swingin'
7. 10 Million Strong
8. Gumbo
9. Good for Your Heart
10. Harmony
11. So Fine
12. Back to Your Lovin'
13. Always
14. Baile de Febrero (For Asher)
15. My High
16. Fidelity

_Ginuwine - 100% Ginuwine_
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1. Little Kidz
2. Little Man's Bangin Lude
3. What's So Different?
4. So Anxious
5. None of Ur Friends Business/Interlude
6. Wait a Minute
7. I Know
8. Do You Remember/Interlude
9. No. 1 Fan
10. Final Warning/Interlude
11. I'm Crying Out
12. Two Sides to a Story
13. Same Ol' G
14. All Nite All Day/Interlude
15. Toe 2 Toe
16. She's Out of My Life

_Keith Sweat - S/T_
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1. Twisted
2. Funky Dope Lovin
3. Yumi
4. Whatever You Want
5. Just a Touch
6. Freak With Me
7. Nature's Rising (Interlude)
8. Come With Me
9. In the Mood
10. Show Me the Way (Interlude)
11. Nobody
12. Chocolate Girl

_Boyz II Men - II_
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1. Thank You
2. All Around The World
3. U Know
4. Vibin'
5. I Sit Away
6. Jezzebel
7. Khalil (Interlude)
8. Trying Times
9. I'll Make Love To You
10. On Bended Knee
11. 50 Candles
12. Water Runs Dry
13. Yesterday

_R. Kelly - 12 Play_
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1. Your Body's Callin'
2. Bump n' Grind
3. Homie Lover Friend
4. It Seems Like You're Ready
5. Freak Dat Body
6. I Like the Crotch on You
7. Summer Bunnies
8. For You
9. Back to the Hood of Things
10. Sadie
11. Sex Me, Pts. 1-2
12. 12 Play

_Maxwell - Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite_
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1. Urban Theme
2. Welcome
3. Sumthin' Sumthin'
4. Ascension (Don't Ever Wonder)
5. Dancewitme
6. 'Til the Cops Come Knockin'
7. Whenever, Wherever, Whatever
8. Lonely's the Only Company, Pt. 1 & 2
9. Reunion
10. Suitelady (The Proposal Jam)
11. Suite Theme

_Case - S/T_
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1. The Tunnel (Interlude)
2. More To Love
3. Don't Be Afraid
4. Call A Cab (Interlude)
5. I Gotcha
6. Crazy (Interlude)
7. Crazy
8. What's Wrong?
9. Rain (Interlude)
10. Rain
11. Touch Me Tease Me
12. The Day That I Die
13. Fallin'
14. Cryin' Over Time

_Soul 4 Real - Candy Rain_
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1. Candy Rain
2. Every Little Thing I Do
3. All In My Mind
4. If You Want It
5. I Wanna Be Your Friend
6. Ain't No Sunshine
7. Spend The Night
8. I Don't Know
9. If Only You Knew
10. Thinking Of You
11. Piano Interlude

_Jon B. - Cool Relax_
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1. Shine
2. Bad Girl
3. Don't Say
4. They Don't Know
5. Can't Help It
6. Cool Relax
7. Are U Still Down
8. Pride and Joy
9. I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)
10. Let Me Know
11. I Ain't Going Out
12. Let's Go (Interlude)
13. Can We Get Down?
14. Love Hurts
15. Tu Amor

_D'Angelo - Brown Sugar_
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1. Brown Sugar
2. Alright
3. Jonz in My Bonz
4. Me and Those Dreamin' Eyes of Mine
5. s**t, Damn, ********
6. Smooth
7. Cruisin'
8. When We Get By
9. Lady
10. Higher

_Joe - All That I Am_
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1. All the Things (Your Man Won't Do)
2. Love Scene
3. Don't Wanna Be a Player
4. Good Girls
5. How Soon
6. Sanctified Girl (Can't Fight This Feeling)
7. All That I Am
8. No One Else Comes Close
9. Come Around
10. U Shoulda Told Me (U Had a Man)
11. Love Don't Make No Sense
12. No One Else Comes Close [Unplugged Version]

_Immature - Playtyme Is Over_
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1. I Don't Mind
2. Never Lie
3. Walk You Home
4. Constantly
5. Broken Heart
6. Summertime
7. Nothing But A Party
8. Look Into Your Eyes
9. Sweetest Love
10. Just A Little Bit
11. I Don't Mind (The Vibe Mix)

_Tony! Toni! Tone! - Hits_
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1. If I Had No Loot
2. Boys and Girls [Remix]
3. Annie May
4. Blues
5. Don't Fall in Love
6. Little Walter
7. Thinking of You
8. Anniversary
9. Feels Good
10. Let's Get Down
11. (Lay Your Head on My) Pillow
12. It Never Rains in Southern California
13. Baby Doll
14. Whatever You Want
15. My Ex-Girlfriend

_Donell Jones - Where I Wanna Be_
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1. U Know What's Up
2. Shorty [Got Her Eyes on Me]
3. Where I Wanna Be
4. Have You Seen Her?
5. This Luv
6. All Her Love
7. It's Alright
8. Think About It (Don't Call My Crib)
9. He Won't Hurt You
10. Pushin'
11. I Wanna Luv U
12. When I Was Down
13. U Know What's Up *

_Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill_
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1. Intro
2. Lost Ones
3. Ex-Factor
4. To Zion
5. Doo Wop (That Thing)
6. Superstar
7. Final Hour
8. When It Hurts So Bad
9. I Used to Love Him
10. Forgive Them Father
11. Every Ghetto, Every City
12. Nothing Even Matters
13. Everything Is Everything
14. The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
15. Can't Take My Eyes Off You (hidden track)

_Faith Evans - Faith_
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1. Faith (Interlude)
2. No Other Love
3. Fallin' In Love
4. Ain't Nobody
5. You Are My Joy (Interlude)
6. Love Don't Live Here Anymore
7. Come Over
8. Soon As I Get Home
9. All This Love
10. Thank You Lord (Interlude)
11. You Used To Love Me
12. Give It To Me
13. You Don't Understand
14. Don't Be Afraid
15. Reasons

_Silk - S/T_
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1. Hooked on You
2. Because of Your Love
3. It's So Good
4. Don't Rush
5. I Can Go Deep
6. What Kind of Love Is This
7. Don't Go to Bed Mad
8. Don't Cry for Me
9. Now That I've Lost You
10. How Could You Say You Love Me
11. Remember Me

_Eric Benet - True To Myself_
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1. True to Myself
2. I'll Be There
3. If You Want Me to Stay
4. Let's Stay Together [Midnight Mix]
5. Just Friends
6. Femininity
7. While You Were Here
8. Spritual Thang
9. Chains
10. All in the Game
11. More Than Just a Girlfriend
12. What If We Was Cool
13. Let's Stay Together

_Jagged Edge - A Jagged Era_
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1. Slow Motion
2. Addicted to Your Love
3. I Gotta Be
4. Wednesday Lover
5. Funny How
6. Way That You Talk
7. Rest of Our Lives
8. I'll Be Right There
9. Ready and Willing
10. Ain't No Stoppin'

_Kenny Lattimore - S/T_
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1. Never Too Busy
2. Just What It Takes
3. I Won't Let You Down
4. All I Want
5. Forever
6. For You
7. Joy
8. Where Did Love Go
9. Forgiveness
10. Always Remember
11. Climb the Mountain
12. I Won't Forget (Whose I Am)


{{Other Recommendations for Beginners}}

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Tski's Note: I've purposely discluded Prince and Michael Jackson here because I feel they may cause unnecessary confusion.
I think you forgot En Vogue and Xscape
nate dogg?
FaytOfChaos
nate dogg?


Nope. Mostly he is in Hip Hoppy songs. Just because he sings to R&B inspired beats, doesn't meen he is R&B.


And I love what you did Goshin, but I am kinda debating wether or not I agree with some of your choices on the lsit. Eh, oh well.
KofDogg
I think you forgot En Vogue and Xscape


It was just a quick brainstorm (note the "unfinished" wink ... and Xscape is up there.
IrratatingRodent
FaytOfChaos
nate dogg?


Nope. Mostly he is in Hip Hoppy songs. Just because he sings to R&B inspired beats, doesn't meen he is R&B.


And I love what you did Goshin, but I am kinda debating wether or not I agree with some of your choices on the lsit. Eh, oh well.


Actually, I don't take pride in some of the artists/groups I listed because their newer material is slowly deteriorating into Pop... xd
Yo man, what about Lyfe Jennings?
Goshin
IrratatingRodent
FaytOfChaos
nate dogg?


Nope. Mostly he is in Hip Hoppy songs. Just because he sings to R&B inspired beats, doesn't meen he is R&B.


And I love what you did Goshin, but I am kinda debating wether or not I agree with some of your choices on the lsit. Eh, oh well.


Actually, I don't take pride in some of the artists/groups I listed because their newer material is slowly deteriorating into Pop... xd


Ya, and I always visioned Michael Jackson and Prince as Pop Stars (Michael Jackson is and always will be the King of Pop). Prince's newest album was very blues inspired though.
Urban_Hyrilan
Yo man, what about Lyfe Jennings?


Oh, my dad has his CD.

stare Ok, I'm going to make the "unfinished" HUGE now that I see where this is all going.
Goshin
Urban_Hyrilan
Yo man, what about Lyfe Jennings?


Oh, my dad has his CD.

stare Ok, I'm going to make the "unfinished" HUGE now that I see where this is all going.


chill I see it. I felt that the artists I mentioned should be considered perfect for R&B 101.
IrratatingRodent
Goshin
IrratatingRodent
FaytOfChaos
nate dogg?


Nope. Mostly he is in Hip Hoppy songs. Just because he sings to R&B inspired beats, doesn't meen he is R&B.


And I love what you did Goshin, but I am kinda debating wether or not I agree with some of your choices on the lsit. Eh, oh well.


Actually, I don't take pride in some of the artists/groups I listed because their newer material is slowly deteriorating into Pop... xd


Ya, and I always visioned Michael Jackson and Prince as Pop Stars (Michael Jackson is and always will be the King of Pop). Prince's newest album was very blues inspired though.


Well, yes "Pop" in that they are "popular" artists.. but they don't belong to the Pop genre.
Goshin
Urban_Hyrilan
Yo man, what about Lyfe Jennings?


Oh, my dad has his CD.

stare Ok, I'm going to make the "unfinished" HUGE now that I see where this is all going.

Yeah, I know that, I am just giving suggestions on what to add.
I'll finish the list tomorrow, but for now I need to finish studying and then go to bed,

Ciao.
Goshin
IrratatingRodent
Goshin
IrratatingRodent
FaytOfChaos
nate dogg?


Nope. Mostly he is in Hip Hoppy songs. Just because he sings to R&B inspired beats, doesn't meen he is R&B.


And I love what you did Goshin, but I am kinda debating wether or not I agree with some of your choices on the lsit. Eh, oh well.


Actually, I don't take pride in some of the artists/groups I listed because their newer material is slowly deteriorating into Pop... xd


Ya, and I always visioned Michael Jackson and Prince as Pop Stars (Michael Jackson is and always will be the King of Pop). Prince's newest album was very blues inspired though.


Well, yes "Pop" in that they are "popular" artists.. but they don't belong to the Pop genre.


Him, I could agree with that with Prince, but I dunno about Michael Jackson. He did start with R&B music now that I look at it, so it could fit into your catagory of "went pop"

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