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i haven't spoken to one person on gaia that has proven to me that anarchy absolutely cannot work. most people don't know what it is at all. i'm an anarchist and i've thought through the concept critically many times and i haven't found a flaw that cannot be easily mended... prove me wrong, why won't it work?

-anarchy, why/why not?
-do you think it could work?
-do you actually know what anarchy is? if so then post your definition for the rest of us (most dictionary definitions don't support either side on this topic because some definitions are contrary to each other)
A flaw besides the fact that a sudden switch from government to non-government equal chaos?

Goddamit why can't you guys ever support stages?

What kind of Anarchist are you by the way?

Omnipresent Warlord

newworldwater
i haven't spoken to one person on gaia that has proven to me that anarchy absolutely cannot work. most people don't know what it is at all. i'm an anarchist and i've thought through the concept critically many times and i haven't found a flaw that cannot be easily mended... prove me wrong, why won't it work?

-anarchy, why/why not?
-do you think it could work?
-do you actually know what anarchy is? if so then post your definition for the rest of us (most dictionary definitions don't support either side on this topic because some definitions are contrary to each other)


Only could work in small communes, the larger your group the more organization you need.
In a true anarchic state of being, let's say you got up and said, "Let's have an anarcho-commune."

Okay, so you stand up and you say that. Great.

Now, what if I don't like what you said? What if my desire to punch you simply exceeded my desire not to fight with people who aren't attacking me?

You may say, Well, if you punch me without provocation, the People will punch you. In which case I will say, that only works if you assume I'm an unpopular loner. If I'm a bully with big ideas, I may have more followers among the People than you might.

The problem with anarchy? It coalesces into feudalism. In rather the same way that nebulae can condense in some places and rarify in others to form stars, really convincing people will gather followers and the unaffiliated will become far and few between.

Why have all the recent attempts at building the anarchic society failed? Ultimately, because they became feudal societies. Such chaos in Spain, in the twentieth century, paved the way for the entry of a Fascist government.
Contra mundus
A flaw besides the fact that a sudden switch from government to non-government equal chaos?

Goddamit why can't you guys ever support stages?

What kind of Anarchist are you by the way?
well, as far as what i support and aim for now, i think i'm mostly anarcho-capitalist because its subtle and could easily support transition. i agree with you, of course government can't just be revoked. but it would be very hard to find a government that would willingly just submit to transition. so thats why i cal myself an anarchist, because i would like to spread the word that true anarchy is not dangerous and is not accurate to the taboo that society has given it.
newworldwater
anarcho-capitalist
Oh fun...another one...


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is not dangerous and is not accurate to the taboo that society has given it
I'm a Marxist. I already look at it unfarvorably technically, Anarcho-Capitalism moreso.

Anarcho-Capitalism really isn't Anarchy, if a Capitalist society exists. Anarchy seeks to rid the world of all kinds of dominance and hiearcy. If you have Capitalism it really allows that to come right back or simply never leave at all.
Shaviv
In a true anarchic state of being, let's say you got up and said, "Let's have an anarcho-commune."

Okay, so you stand up and you say that. Great.

Now, what if I don't like what you said? What if my desire to punch you simply exceeded my desire not to fight with people who aren't attacking me?

You may say, Well, if you punch me without provocation, the People will punch you. In which case I will say, that only works if you assume I'm an unpopular loner. If I'm a bully with big ideas, I may have more followers among the People than you might.

The problem with anarchy? It coalesces into feudalism. In rather the same way that nebulae can condense in some places and rarify in others to form stars, really convincing people will gather followers and the unaffiliated will become far and few between.

Why have all the recent attempts at building the anarchic society failed? Ultimately, because they became feudal societies. Such chaos in Spain, in the twentieth century, paved the way for the entry of a Fascist government.
i don't support any violent act first of all (and i understand that was an example) and i don't think that individual ideals should be enforced by the people. i think that in this environment, it is not the ideals of either side being enforced (because that would lead to factions) but rather that the rights of both opposing individuals should be enforced by the people until an agreement has been made or one party's point has been disproven
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
Contra mundus
newworldwater
anarcho-capitalist
Oh fun...another one...


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is not dangerous and is not accurate to the taboo that society has given it
I'm a Marxist. I already look at it unfarvorably technically, Anarcho-Capitalism moreso.

Anarcho-Capitalism really isn't Anarchy, if a Capitalist society exists. Anarchy seeks to rid the world of all kinds of dominance and hiearcy. If you have Capitalism it really allows that to come right back or simply never leave at all.
but i said thats the stage that i'm striving for, that is not my complete ideal it is only a stage in the transition. i'm not anarcho-capitalist, i only think that that is a reaonable step forward from our present situation
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
working together without superiority or seniority is just as effective as with it. if the correct ideals are enstiled in the people then schools and fire department ect.
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
also, why would i want to be a hermit when i could be just as free with more resources (intellectually and physically)
newworldwater
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
working together without superiority or seniority is just as effective as with it. if the correct ideals are enstiled in the people then schools and fire department ect.


So some private straight out of boot camp can lead just as well as a general with 30 years of experience under their belt? I think not, there are things you cannot learn from training sessions and text book. There is no better teacher than life experiences.

Experience is an important factor in leading people, with out it you simply can't effectivly maintain law and order.

On top of experience there are simply people who have been gifted with more talent than others. People are are more adpatable and capable to lead than others.
newworldwater
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
also, why would i want to be a hermit when i could be just as free with more resources (intellectually and physically)


With out infestructure how do you intend to harness those resources? How do you intend to protect these resources from groups who would rather steal than earn things with out a paroper malitia of some sort?
ThomasFyreClaw
newworldwater
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
working together without superiority or seniority is just as effective as with it. if the correct ideals are enstiled in the people then schools and fire department ect.


So some private straight out of boot camp can lead just as well as a general with 30 years of experience under their belt? I think not, there are things you cannot learn from training sessions and text book. There is no better teacher than life experiences.

Experience is an important factor in leading people, with out it you simply can't effectivly maintain law and order.

On top of experience there are simply people who have been gifted with more talent than others. People are are more adpatable and capable to lead than others.
if life were truly the only source of conditioning then we would have never left a state of anarcho-primitivism in the first place. also there would be no leaders and no one would have any other source of knowledge than life experiences. there would be no leader. the parties involved in a disagreement about what should be done would come to a conclusion through civilized, logical debate about what should be done and while it was happening, the masses would enforce the decency of both parties.
ThomasFyreClaw
newworldwater
ThomasFyreClaw
Anarchy means with out leaders correct? No real heirachy or command structure, that means no government.

No government means no schools, no fire departments, no law enforcment, no infestructure. Human beings have orginized into societies for reason: It is alot easier to survive. Human beings despite their dominance over the planet are relativly weak creatures, we do not have superior senses, strength, or built in weapons like sharp teath claws or spines.

We survive by working together by having one group to lead the rest to follow. Government and society as we know it evolved from the simple tribes and clans our ansestors once had and becuase of orginized government we have been able to take humanity where it was once believed to be impossible.

Anarchists seem to not understand that. If you truely don't like government nor want to be involved in society go be a hermit.
also, why would i want to be a hermit when i could be just as free with more resources (intellectually and physically)


With out infestructure how do you intend to harness those resources? How do you intend to protect these resources from groups who would rather steal than earn things with out a paroper malitia of some sort?
they would be protected by the people and if something was stolen then the punishment would be enforced by the people. you think that having no superiority means weakness when infact it just means logic

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