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"South Africa to step up land seizure."

South Africa has now, having witnessed the international sock at, and the economic disaster which followed Mugabe's decision to seize land from skilled white farmers to give to untrained, illiterate and violent black militia, have now decided that it looks like a good idea to do the same.

To show the the results of the prior parallel action by Zimbabwe's President Mugabe this link illustrates the current situation.

Land redistribution which takes land from the capable white farmers who have kept these Commonwealth countries afloat both before and after Commonwealth independence, and giving the land arbitrarily to blacks with no assets, skills, training or experience is a recipe for disaster. These are not smallholdings, but massive commericial farms using advanced industrial methods and a great deal of experience.

Should we, the international community, continue to allow these African States to carry out these injustices? And when such injustices are actively putting those countries at great risk, to what extent does this make a difference to our obligation?

Omnipresent Warlord

Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.
Omnileech
Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.


We tried in Iraq. We're sortof vaguely succeeding in Afghanistan.

Why not?

Omnipresent Warlord

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Omnileech
Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.


We tried in Iraq. We're sortof vaguely succeeding in Afghanistan.

Why not?


We're not succeeding in Afghanistan. Taliban is still around, Al Queda is still around, warlords are more powerful than ever, Opium production keeps reaching record levels. Going war with a country because of something this minor is stupid and doomed to fail.
TheMarauding
I take it you're american? America is overextending all of its resources, it cant continue to try and solve everything , they think they are curing aids in africa but what about their OWN citizens? My point being they should stop sticking their nose around everywhere.


Let the American's mind their resources.

Anyway, if we have the power to do something to make the world a better place, why shouldn't we?

Omnipresent Warlord

War shouldn't be something you take lightly and shouldn't be the answers to all your problems since war in general is a horrible way to fix things and most of the time makes things much, much worse.
Omnileech
War shouldn't be something you take lightly and shouldn't be the answers to all your problems since war in general is a horrible way to fix things and most of the time makes things much, much worse.


War should be treated as an extension of diplomacy if all other means fail, with the exception of conquering. It seesm to be a current trend for most leaders throughout word to treat talk as cheap. rolleyes

As for South African, considering more of the majority of black people there are better educated than almost anywhere else in African (pardon if I sound rascist). Things will continue to run relatively smoothly once the land is transfered. Everyone should be aware this stems from fears of the World Bank seizing lands from them before they do and giving them to large corporations. This fears may not be completely just but consider the World Bank or IMF can do whatever they want with the aid if the country they are giving loans to cannot sufficiently pay back.
TheMarauding
I take it you're american? America is overextending all of its resources, it cant continue to try and solve everything , they think they are curing aids in africa but what about their OWN citizens? My point being they should stop sticking their nose around everywhere.


An American British Ambassador to GaiaOnline and Captain of the Gaian British Guild would, unless I'm mistaken, be a very strange state of affairs.

More relevantly, the topic referred more generally to the internatinal community and - if anything - more to the United Kingdom than the USA.
Omnileech
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Omnileech
Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.


We tried in Iraq. We're sortof vaguely succeeding in Afghanistan.

Why not?


We're not succeeding in Afghanistan. Taliban is still around, Al Queda is still around, warlords are more powerful than ever, Opium production keeps reaching record levels. Going war with a country because of something this minor is stupid and doomed to fail.


Sortof. The Taliban are being beaten though, the NATO troops have very much the advantage at the moment and the power of the local warlords has been broken or seriously undermined in every region in which NATO troops are operating.

The Economist agrees with me, too. Where do you draw your assessment from?

Omnipresent Warlord

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Omnileech
Invictus_88
Omnileech
Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.


We tried in Iraq. We're sortof vaguely succeeding in Afghanistan.

Why not?


We're not succeeding in Afghanistan. Taliban is still around, Al Queda is still around, warlords are more powerful than ever, Opium production keeps reaching record levels. Going war with a country because of something this minor is stupid and doomed to fail.


Sortof. The Taliban are being beaten though, the NATO troops have very much the advantage at the moment and the power of the local warlords has been broken or seriously undermined in every region in which NATO troops are operating.

The Economist agrees with me, too. Where do you draw your assessment from?


The fact that the leader of Afghanistan is called "the mayor of Kabul" because the power of his government doesn't extend much past that? Or how about the news stories of escalating attacks? Or how about the fact that the leaders of their government now have little followers and weren't populat to begin with? I make my observations on the news and form my own opinions, not what some magazine tells me.
Omnileech
Invictus_88
Omnileech
Invictus_88
Omnileech
Nothing we can do. If they want to screw up their own country then that's within the rights. South Africa was the best country in Africa and now it looks like that's going to be gone.


We tried in Iraq. We're sortof vaguely succeeding in Afghanistan.

Why not?


We're not succeeding in Afghanistan. Taliban is still around, Al Queda is still around, warlords are more powerful than ever, Opium production keeps reaching record levels. Going war with a country because of something this minor is stupid and doomed to fail.


Sortof. The Taliban are being beaten though, the NATO troops have very much the advantage at the moment and the power of the local warlords has been broken or seriously undermined in every region in which NATO troops are operating.

The Economist agrees with me, too. Where do you draw your assessment from?


The fact that the leader of Afghanistan is called "the mayor of Kabul" because the power of his government doesn't extend much past that? Or how about the news stories of escalating attacks? Or how about the fact that the leaders of their government now have little followers and weren't populat to begin with? I make my observations on the news and form my own opinions, not what some magazine tells me.


The Economist runs over and above the mainstream media, this is why views aired in it hit government ministers harder than views aired in the mainstream. The writers are all in the know, and many contributors are senior Civil Servants, diplomats and captains of industry.

Nicknames don't hold much water, the fact of the matter is that for all the marksmanship and skill of the Taliban, the NATO forces are consistently making ground.

Ah for the extent of government autority, that comes after the defeat of Taliban power. We are currently breaking the Taliban, so once that is done the power will flow further.

The the government power hasn't yet reached the troublespots is no argument against the evidence that we are winning against Taliban forces.
Invictus_88
The Economist agrees with me, too. Where do you draw your assessment from?


Ahhaha, I got my copy this morning too! I figured you had read it as soon as I saw the thread topic. But I've not checked the article out yet, so I'll come back and comment properly when I do. The preliminary response of mine is "excuse me wtf r u doin?" But a brief scan of the article suggests there are quite a few problems in the nation, which is rather sad to see, given that it could once be considered a real beacon of hope for the African continent.

And Omnileech, The Economist is a publication one listens to. You don't get read by the people The Economist gets read by unless you're damned good at what you do.
Invictus_88
"South Africa to step up land seizure."

South Africa has now, having witnessed the international sock at, and the economic disaster which followed Mugabe's decision to seize land from skilled white farmers to give to untrained, illiterate and violent black militia, have now decided that it looks like a good idea to do the same.

To show the the results of the prior parallel action by Zimbabwe's President Mugabe this link illustrates the current situation.

Land redistribution which takes land from the capable white farmers who have kept these Commonwealth countries afloat both before and after Commonwealth independence, and giving the land arbitrarily to blacks with no assets, skills, training or experience is a recipe for disaster. These are not smallholdings, but massive commericial farms using advanced industrial methods and a great deal of experience.

Should we, the international community, continue to allow these African States to carry out these injustices? And when such injustices are actively putting those countries at great risk, to what extent does this make a difference to our obligation?
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't south africa the country with three capitals? and the president who can "cure aids"

i mean, the only real thing that we can do as the international community is sanction them for doing bad economics moves, but at the same time, that won't do any good as long as china is funding africa.
what can we do? bomb them for being retarded collectivist? seems like

a) an unjust reason for war
b) a gross violation of south africa's sovreignity
The Melancholy Of Haruhi
Invictus_88
"South Africa to step up land seizure."

South Africa has now, having witnessed the international sock at, and the economic disaster which followed Mugabe's decision to seize land from skilled white farmers to give to untrained, illiterate and violent black militia, have now decided that it looks like a good idea to do the same.

To show the the results of the prior parallel action by Zimbabwe's President Mugabe this link illustrates the current situation.

Land redistribution which takes land from the capable white farmers who have kept these Commonwealth countries afloat both before and after Commonwealth independence, and giving the land arbitrarily to blacks with no assets, skills, training or experience is a recipe for disaster. These are not smallholdings, but massive commericial farms using advanced industrial methods and a great deal of experience.

Should we, the international community, continue to allow these African States to carry out these injustices? And when such injustices are actively putting those countries at great risk, to what extent does this make a difference to our obligation?
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't south africa the country with three capitals? and the president who can "cure aids"

i mean, the only real thing that we can do as the international community is sanction them for doing bad economics moves, but at the same time, that won't do any good as long as china is funding africa.
what can we do? bomb them for being retarded collectivist? seems like

a) an unjust reason for war
b) a gross violation of south africa's sovreignity


It is saddening and alarming that US foreign policy means that the conclusion "let's bomb" is so high in everyone's mind.

In a sane world, bombing would be laughed at as absurd, and more diplomatic positions would be considered. Indeed, at the most extreme end, less retarded military strategies would be considered.

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