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I know this is normally Twist's topic. But in light of the rising tension in C&T, we need one.

Kederaji Tajorn
I think it's time we declare a state of emergency in the C&T. Things are getting out of hand out there. We have four mods worth of turf to patrol, and only half an active mod to patrol it.

I'm well aware that modding is a burnout job. I've seen C&T go through a few of them in my year-and-a-half, and those who didn't burn completely out got promoted up and out of our little corner. I have nothing but respect for the people who have done and continue to do this job, but the fact still stands that C&T may be staffed on paper, but it is understaffed in reality. Black Ex's topic with the flamewar is a perfect example. There's at least two flamewars, five topics with illegal content, and who knows how many minor rules violations out there.

I don't know who needs to be contacted, and who needs to talk to who, but I know that someone needs to tell the admins that we need more mods. The regs try their hardest to keep the peace, but it's hard to do without a badge. Can we get someone to throw us a bone, please?


leiutenant_dan
The last C&T State Of The Union was 6 months ago. Shouldn't a new one be made?


Subject: Mods

Our mods do a thankless and merciless job, and we know it. But right now, the workload facing them is quite simply more than humanly possible to cope with. Once again, we need more mods.

ramiel.sheep.of.lightning
As for nominating helpers, knock it off. It's rather redundant. We(the mods) know who the regs are, and will consider them all, so your nominations are extra useless.


Subject: C&T Guide forum

A number of guides have been written, and are slowly migrating to the bottom of the forum, which really deserve a home. However, with the number of active mods we have, another subforum may be an additional strain we should not impose.

Subject: Rules Re-write

Mr. Madman has a proposed rules re-write, edited for clarity and quotability. Is anyone willing to review/edit/critique it, and are mods willing to approve it?

Subject: Guides Wiki

Dexen brought up the subjet of a guides wiki as an alternative to a guides forum, or sticky. Discuss.

Thoughts, comments, criticism, additional items to discuss?

Edit I: Added rules re-write.
Edit II: Added guides wiki, and Ramiel's admonition about mod/helper nominations.

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We have had our share of problems lately, havn't we. The moderator's seem just about non existant by no fault of their own (people have lives). The mods who do still frequent, are far overloaded with work. The regs who frequent daily can report threads until they're blue in the face, but action is taking days, if action is carried out at all.

This is not to say that the mods are not doing their job, however. I've gotten numerous PM's from mods who have handled the threads and signature's I've reported. It just takes time, and unfortunetly as has been stated before, it's time that the mod's don't have.

However there are solutions.

We need a couple of new dedicated moderators. At least one, prefferably two. I understand this is a lot to ask, as there is a lot of trust involved in assigning a moderator, and of course potential risk. There are several regulars around here that are considered trustworthy by the rest, that I'm sure would be willing to take up the task of moderation. I cannot speak for them however.

In addition to moderators, a couple of GAIA Helper's would be not only usefull, but widely encouraged by many. I'm unsure if Kiretsu lurks around here anymore, as I have not seen her in any specific thread other than the "What I have learned from C&T" thread. The use of a couple of helpers would greatly reduce the strain on the moderators, as the vast majority of "troublesome" threads here, are simply posted in the wrong forum.

As for the potential of a "Guides" sub forum, if we had a single helper that would continualy prune the guides forum of misplaced threads, I don't see it as that large of an issue. This is of course assuming that it doesn't become as popular as the main C&T forum however (judging by the popularity of the Tech-Talk sub forum, I don't see this as a likely issue).

I've also noticed another problem. There are always going to be flamers, there's nothing that can be done about that. However, I've noticed another issue. Ked is correct, that the regs around here do try and keep the peace as best as possible. Unfortunetly, a few of the regs doing this have been less than helpfull. While these few have been attempting to cool these threads down, they have done the opposite in being somewhat antagonistic in their attempts.

I don't mean to say these people should necessarily stop trying. Rather, I think the other regs should do something about it. Send a PM, giving the misguided reg a pat on the back thanking them for their attempt, but giving a suggestion of a better way of going about it. I rather doubt this will work, but we should give it a try. Most of the regs know each other, and I see this as potentially just widening the community aspect a little.

Just my two cents.

Perfect Regular

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I still don't like the idea of a Guides subforum. While it would be more efficient in holding guides than an index sticky, it would also be more suspect to spam and therefore be putting more strain on our limited selection of moderators.

On a side note, at the end of the last C&T union in February we talked about rewriting the Rules sticky. After many topics where people bump but claim not to be, and still having problems with the ROMs stuff I decided to rewrite them. I have also tried to incorporate the D2D stuff as there are duplicate rules. The idea was also have quotable blocks of text that you could use when someone breaks the rules, but smaller and more concise. It also has bolded text for people who skim the rules, so that the main points are more memorable, e.g. in the "Opinion is not Fact" section I have emphasised "Please know what you are talking about before you post." Another notable change is I've re-ordered the topics so that the most important ones are first and the least (but still important) topics are last. This is in case someone gets bored reading the sticky (as some people who come in here have short attention spans).

Most of the rewrite is done. If anyone is interested in my rewrite of the sticky, then I'll post it in the guild for you all to work on and fix any problems/add missed topics to.

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If Kiretsu is returning, it should be shortly. She normally disappears for summer.

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Thank you all. :GONK: This was badly needed.

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i agree with this thread and think that more mods are needed

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We could always get subforums to the guides and resources subforum... And have the main guides forum for gaian guides. and a subforum for computer related guides. drawing guides, and all that...

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It is that time, when the true C&Ters must stand up for their rights! They must cast off the shackle of n00bs and trolls, and rise above to great heights of geekdom! 3nodding

All we need is another mod or two, and maybe another subforum or two. We don't need to get tooo crazy here. smile

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Sorry I've been really out of it, but as some of you know, I'm taking 18 credit-hours this semester, on top of 30 hours of work and various other things(friends, etc). I am pretty bloody swamped. The mod problem will be rectified, but there isn't a whole lot you people can do about it. I've put my plans of stepping down on hold till the other mods' status becomes more known.

As for a guides subforum, I fear I must disagree with all of you. I find that there is a much better solutions. As some of you ave noticed, there is a guides forum under QnA. It was originally only meant for gaia things, I believe, but most assume it's much broader. We could easily have a sticky in techtalk, linking to guides in that forum, etc. I believe this is the better option because there simply aren't that many computer guides in C&T as a whole. I can think of maybe a grand total of 30-50 in my 3 years here. That simply isn't the kind of number needed to justify the hassle of a new subforum.

Basically, let's look to solve our problems in the easiest ways. New sticky is veyr easy compared to trying to get a new subforum(especially when said forum isn't warranted). Finding out what is specifically up with our mods right now is much easier than petitioning for new mods. So let's see what you guys can come up with in that mindset.

-ramiel

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ramiel.sheep.of.lightning
I fear I must disagree with all of you.

Except me, who said that I didn't like the idea on both occasions it has come up.

ramiel.sheep.of.lightning
Finding out what is specifically up with our mods right now is much easier than petitioning for new mods.

Good idea. Let's find out. This is what we know so far:

Ramiel - Is busy with life (understandable).
Kiretsu - On that summer thing she does. Back soon, hopefully.

I just looked at the modlist - was there always so few moderators in there? I could've sworn we had a global mod at one point. Even the testing forum has more moderators than us.

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Whew I saw the thread title, for a second I thought I had done something horribly wrong. sweatdrop

I've never noticed this being too bad, probably because I'm pretty new compared to the most of you.

I mostly expected it to be like this, people are people and some people don't like being told they're wrong (guilty >_>; ), so when it comes time to let them know they're breaking a rule and we can't help them, they get upset.

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BPrice
If Kiretsu is returning, it should be shortly. She normally disappears for summer.


I was wondering where she had disappeared to. Haven't seen her since...May?

One of the biggest things that concerns me is how a lot of C&T main forum questions pop up in C&T tech talk and don't get moved. Those clutter up TT making it harder to find our discussion threads.

Also, too many Vista threads (dedicated to the same exact thing) pop up and don't get deleted. sweatdrop The Vista Awareness thread that Shoroo made should be the end-all be-all Vista information thread, with all others being trashed.

Elder

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I said this a long time a go; I don't agree with the C&T guides subforum any more. We have a Suides Subforum in Q&A, and this is where guides shoudl go.

I do however agree with revamping all the stickies. We had a sticky team, whatever happened to that?
Most of our stickies are still suffering from the pagination glitch of 2005.

I agree with rewriting everything; I rewrote the rules what? Last year or so? And this was before the sticky team idea was introduced. Did anybody look at it? No.
But did the sticky teams idea get accepted? Yes.
Have they done anything?
No, not much at all.

It all has to do with taking the initiative, I think.
And since Mr. Madman has taken the initiative, I'm sure whatever he wrote is better than the rules sticky we currently have. Why?
Because even me, a reg of the forums, has never read that damnt hing fully. It's way too long and wordy, not enough is bolded, things like that. Small clauses that people quote occationally get lost.

Plus, if Mr. Madman really has integrated the D2D in with the rules, this would be awesome, simply put.

As for mods, I know Twistex is having a really sucky time with life, and MP has almost never been around since the beginning.

Some of the mods from the last mod-date aren't even in our modlist anymore(Futo, for instance). Why is this?

I know i protested who was chosen last time, but taking them from this forum didn't really help things, either. We need someone to take their place.

And getting new mods, as Ramiel said, doesn't really need to be the answer. Really we just need one or two mor ehelpers. We hardly ever get TOS violations here, so we only need people to move threads from here, to C&T and back, and the occational chatterbox or games discussion too.
Worse case scenario, if we get a TOS violation, we report the thread but we move it to the Recycle bin. Seems like a viable solution if it violated C&T rules too, just so people don't go around replyig to it, right?

Last of all, you have to remember that everything goes in cycles. Summer is just ending, epeople are getting in school, so naturally more kids are coming here asking things that violate our rules and the TOS(Like getting around the school system). It will die down soon.

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We need to lay down the Banhammer.

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Gaia needs more moderators in general. But C&T seems especially lacking. It's understandable that moderators can't always be online, but that just means that more are needed.

This is a huge site, but the moderation team doesn't seem to grow at the required rate to keep up with it all.

Going along the lines of what [Q] said...we just need people who can lock/move/delete threads, delete posts, and give a warning to people who are breaking the TOS. They don't really need to be able to ban people, there are enough moderators who can do that. It's just that threads and posts aren't deleted in a timely mannor. It really does take days sometimes to get something taken care of, and sometimes it isn't taken care of at all.
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