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[I've witnessed many threads dealing with feminism and sex lately, and have fostered a growing curiosity of gender and it's connotations. From those of you that know me from my Homosexuality and Gender thread, you've already seen my analysis on gender and how it relates to relationships, but I'll likely paraphrase from there somewhat. I hope to hold no bias against either sex.]

Females have, throughout history, been regarded as the weaker sex in most cultures. The reasons for this are likely derived from before recorded history, and have since then mutated into the gender perceptions our Western society possesses today.

The female sex, by definition, is a homo sapient possessing internal sexual organs, including a uterus capable of hosting an embryo (ideally) to term, and breasts to produce lactose for the born child. Women are, foremost different from men in that they bear children.

The male sex is likewise homo sapient with an external sexual organs. They differ from women principally in that they fertilize the egg, and otherwise bear no part in biologically sustaining the fetus. Women are known to possess less upper body strength than men, and slightly less strength overall.

Firstly, it is possible that the action of sexual intercourse in itself presents female as weak. In a hunter-gatherer or stone-age tribal group, men, with their external sexual organ, are required to insert it within the female, and to reach orgasm, grind into her somewhat, for lack of a better term. The female is in a vulnerable position- to obtain pleasure sexually, she must copulate with a male, considering the only other vaginal stimulants come in the form of her own digits, sticks, rocks, or pottery (depending upon the civilization). All of these being quite unsanitary, and her insides already susceptible to infection. A male could sexually assault a female, while she could not be a sexual aggressor in the same manner. The position of her sex organs makes her vulnerable. While it is possible for a woman to rape a man, the vast majority of sexual assault is perpetrated on a female.

The male has his own problems- competing for a females attention and thus breeding rights- but for the afformentioned reasons (and statistically spreaking) he could rape her just as easily. Expanding on that, a female must descriminate with whom she breeds- she can only bear a fairly small amount of offspring in her lifetime. Whereas a male has more sexual freedom, as he can impregnate many women within his lifetime, and not be required to suffer a physical or emotional drain from child birth and rearing.

Secondly, women bear children and go through menstruation cycles. In such a hunter-gatherer society, a pregnant woman would be incapable of hunting (probably a dominantly male job anyway) and, in the later months, gathering as well. Childbirth at the time had a high mortality rate. Menstruation is, in effect bleeding. She bleeds once a month- that is not conductive to survival.

As described, this could be the basis of this societies gender perceptions- women are supposedly to work in the kitchen, because that is the best place for a female incapacitated in an early society. Women are supposedly docile and obedient, because they could not be the aggressor- to take a leaf from Freud, much of the human's psychology (and hence sociology, what this is) is based around sex. Much of the gender perceptions are based around sex as well.

Originally, men wore pants because it allows for greater mobility in hunting large prey, running, you name it. Also, they have a dangly thing between their legs. Hence, pants. Females, having a sexual opening, and not a dangly thing, were better suited for open-cuffed or loose garments such as skirts- also, they need only to hike it up and squat for childbirth, cleaning up after menstruation, or any bathroom need. Men can urinate standing up, and do not experience menstruation or childbirth.

In an early society, yes. Women were weaker and lesser than men in terms of survival, and, for the above reasons, dominance. However, because of today's technology and learning in developed countries, most people neither hunt nor gather. For practical reasons in the wild, the human animal has slightly weaker female members- but we do not live in the wild.

Thus far, I have left out the particular stengths of women- for example, small-breasted women are reputed to be better archers (as pointed out by a fellow Gaian) and in terms of endurance in running, women have been proven to be slightly stronger, when compared with men with the same training. Males and females are different, but fairly equal. My point is this: in a pre-civilization nomadic-tribe 'society' (note, I did not include matriarchal societies in my post, as this is pre-civilization.) or possibly before that, when humans were more like the rest of the animal kingdom, females had a slight disadvantage, mostly due to sex and childbirth. This is my theory as to why specific gender connotations exist, particularly the idea that women are weaker than men.

In conclusion: most 'feminine' or 'masculine' traits are mere gender conceptions, originally born of sexual function.
Wow, you've opened my eyes. You make a very good point there. I am going to have to agree with everything stated within that post. I sometimes wonder why God made two genders unequally? It just didn't seem fair, especially, as me being a female. I suppose you have a good point. Agreed. And within today's soicitey, indeed, it does not apply. By the way, Menestruation, I wouldn't exactly considered it 'bleeding'. It's more of the release of something, within the form of blood...? P: I have a hard time putting that into words, but you're right. Huzzah for a point made.
I don't really know what to say, other than that I agree with you. I'd like to see counterarguments.

I've been following a lot of the feminism/sex threads and have been thinking a lot about gender, as well. I think that, since we've evolved to the point where we can make cognitive decisions about nearly everything else, we might as well just act however we want in regard to gender and see how it makes us feel--try swapping genders, taking on different levels of femininity/masculinity, crossdressing, whatever. I still have no idea if there's anything biological that influenced the formation of the current gender roles of our society.
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Firstly, it is possible that the action of sexual intercourse in itself presents female as weak. In a hunter-gatherer or stone-age tribal group, men, with their external sexual organ, are required to insert it within the female, and to reach orgasm, grind into her somewhat, for lack of a better term. The female is in a vulnerable position- to obtain pleasure sexually, she must copulate with a male, considering the only other vaginal stimulants come in the form of her own digits, sticks, rocks, or pottery (depending upon the civilization). All of these being quite unsanitary, and her insides already susceptible to infection. A male could sexually assault a female, while she could not be a sexual aggressor in the same manner. The position of her sex organs makes her vulnerable.


This is all I take issue with (otherwise nice post)

See this is just perception.
Insertion is something both do.
Tell me, last time you ate a fish stick, would you say the fish stick was the dominant object?
As long as a woman is properly "open"(we can assume theres lube), and the p***s is erect the female can quite easily be the one to encompass the other.
This also really refutes the "females cannot be sexual agressors" part.
Remember, an erect p***s does not mean a man is willing.

ANd the sex pleasure thing....how are ones fingers (if washed) unsanitary? If anything a finger is more likely to be clean than a p***s.
Also the G-spot is generally the clitoris, which is outside the v****a and is rubbed much like a p***s would be. Putting the self pleasure thing on about the same level.
What is your point? I agree, I suppose, but these are things that seem to be obvious reasons (i dont mean to be insulting saying that!)...Are you just offering explanation or presenting an issue?

sorry...>_>
Frotteurism#2
What is your point? I agree, I suppose, but these are things that seem to be obvious reasons (i dont mean to be insulting saying that!)...Are you just offering explanation or presenting an issue?

sorry...>_>


Explination. It doesn't seem as though it's a widely circulated veiw, I'd never encountered it before.
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Also the G-spot is generally the clitoris


No it isn't....the G-spot, if hit during intercourse causes subtle pleasure and the slight discomforting sensation of having to pee. The clitoris, though I assure you extremely handy, is not the G-Spot.

The G-spot in the female is inside, about two inches up her vaginal track. The clitoris is outside.

Meaning?

G spot =/ c**t.

But enough of that, I'm off topic. At first, I was totally prepared to flame this topic (because I'm just that stupid), but reading it, I became aware that this man has a point. Good job.
Wishbone Redemption
Frotteurism#2
What is your point? I agree, I suppose, but these are things that seem to be obvious reasons (i dont mean to be insulting saying that!)...Are you just offering explanation or presenting an issue?

sorry...>_>


Explination. It doesn't seem as though it's a widely circulated veiw, I'd never encountered it before.
ah, well, thats good then. Sometimes I assume that alot of other people have come to the same conclusions about things that i have, and then i get it in my head that it is something that "everyone knows." xP i think it is good you made a good explanation, i sorta didnt think that other people wouldnt think this.
Funkmasta-Zeph
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Firstly, it is possible that the action of sexual intercourse in itself presents female as weak. In a hunter-gatherer or stone-age tribal group, men, with their external sexual organ, are required to insert it within the female, and to reach orgasm, grind into her somewhat, for lack of a better term. The female is in a vulnerable position- to obtain pleasure sexually, she must copulate with a male, considering the only other vaginal stimulants come in the form of her own digits, sticks, rocks, or pottery (depending upon the civilization). All of these being quite unsanitary, and her insides already susceptible to infection. A male could sexually assault a female, while she could not be a sexual aggressor in the same manner. The position of her sex organs makes her vulnerable.


This is all I take issue with (otherwise nice post)

See this is just perception.
Insertion is something both do.
Tell me, last time you ate a fish stick, would you say the fish stick was the dominant object?
As long as a woman is properly "open"(we can assume theres lube), and the p***s is erect the female can quite easily be the one to encompass the other.
This also really refutes the "females cannot be sexual agressors" part.
Remember, an erect p***s does not mean a man is willing.

ANd the sex pleasure thing....how are ones fingers (if washed) unsanitary? If anything a finger is more likely to be clean than a p***s.
Also the G-spot is generally the clitoris, which is outside the v****a and is rubbed much like a p***s would be. Putting the self pleasure thing on about the same level.


I left out a**l sex purposely; and oversimplified. Females cannot penetrate a male, without utilizing a digit or object, and without penetrating the a**s. I feel that this makes the sexual organs of a female more vulnerable, although I have little idea of what forms of intercourse were practiced at the aforementioned time periods.
Mrs. Ringo Starr
I became aware that this man has a point.


According to her sig, she's a woman. smile
Mrs. Ringo Starr
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Also the G-spot is generally the clitoris


No it isn't....the G-spot, if hit during intercourse causes subtle pleasure and the slight discomforting sensation of having to pee. The clitoris, though I assure you extremely handy, is not the G-Spot.

The G-spot in the female is inside, about two inches up her vaginal track. The clitoris is outside.

Meaning?

G spot =/ c**t.

But enough of that, I'm off topic. At first, I was totally prepared to flame this topic (because I'm just that stupid), but reading it, I became aware that this man has a point. Good job.


Apologies to all involved, I am not well-versed in sexual intercourse... sweatdrop

Thank you, and I am female. I probably should have mentioned that in the first post.
Actually, I do have a question for you, Wishbone: do you believe that maintaining these gender roles is helpful to society? Should we be encouraged to? Would it be at all useful to deconstruct them and try living without them?
... You didn't really have a point to this but stating the biological facts. This just further more shows that we are equal in todays society seeing as we dont hunt or gather. WE can pretty much do what the other sex can--except fertilizing and childbirthing.
Wow...that first post....made so much sense. I can kind of see where sexism comes from, when you put it like that. Not that I like it, but still.... you get kudos. heart
mimishiru
... You didn't really have a point to this but stating the biological facts. This just further more shows that we are equal in todays society seeing as we dont hunt or gather. WE can pretty much do what the other sex can--except fertilizing and childbirthing.


Exactly, which was my point. However, through observation I have determined that this is not widely circulated, and at this point consider it to be merely a theory on why gender perceptions equate females to be lesser and have a ton of 'docile' or 'domestic' perceptions about the sex.

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