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A guide to learning the art market, finding your worth, and making decisions regarding your shop.


Purpose

The purpose of this guide is to aid YOU in pricing YOURSELF. I'm sick and tired of people claiming they can't price themselves properly, yet believe they can price others perfectly fine. WTF IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. If you can price others properly, you can certainly price yourself perfectly fine. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. You don't have to be the best artist in the world to price yourself, and you don't have to even sell art(you could sell graphics for all I care).

This guide is NOT for me to price you, or for advertising your shop. I will on occasion roam the P,A,&S to price people, but I will not go to your little threads going to price you(if you give me price back links), because you don't NEED a thread if you read my guide. Geez, I thought this would be obvious, but I'm putting it here JUST IN CASE I get a few lazy n00bz that dun kno how tew r33d t3h 3NgRiisshhh.

This guide is for pricing whatever you plan to sell, it's just aimed at art shops since that's what people tend to come here for. I really hope this guide assists you in pricing(because having a good price can improve business in your minishop). If something is unclear you can ask.

F.A.Q.
Q. Why can't I just create a thread here for them to price me?
A. Keep in mind the majority of the pricers here are looking to be priced like you. If they are looking to be priced, that means they can't price themselves. You'll learn later in the guide that in order to price yourself you need to know the market, so if the people here are looking to be priced because they can't price themselves, that means they do not know the market. If they don't know the market, how can you honestly expect an accurate estimate on what to charge from the same people asking to be priced? That's right, you can't. (which is exactly why my guide was made, to help people like you reading this to gain the ability price yourselves and people with similar art styles)

For the few that CAN price art properly, they generally don't leave "price back" links(since they can price themselves confidently), price others to help people "see the light", and give constructive criticism(not a full blown crit[although I love those, since they help people improve by pointing out flaws you may not notice] but suggestions, since this is the Pricing, Assistance, and Suggestions forum).

Q. Can't I just make a temporary bribe shop of some sort to find my value? Are temporary shops even worth wasting my time on?
A. Well, you certainly can do that, I'm not stopping you, however, try and hear me out here. If you create a temporary shop, YOU ARE NOT LEARNING THE MARKET, and by learning the market, I mean actually knowing what other people charge so you can work towards a standard shop in the future or any permanent shop in the future. You cannot appropriately price yourself without having some knowledge prior as to what your competition is charging and how well they do what they do. Temporary shops help you realize what people will pay for a temporary, or "limited edition" time, and not for a permanent time. Yes, people will be willing to pay different knowing that this will only be available for a limited time. I think that if you are planning to have a form of permanent shop, doing a temporary shop to 'save time' will not be beneficiary to yourself in the future and a waste of your own time.

Q. What's the point of looking at other shops???
A. By looking at other shops, better known as your competition(because yes, believe it or not your are/will be running some form of business, even if virtual)...
    You get an idea of what they are charging(to help you price at a good rate).
    You get to see their layout(which is important).
    You get to see the quality of their art.
    You get to make comparisons of all types of sorts.
    You get to see what you're up against. You must stay on top, and be nothing but the best in the eyes of the customers! You cannot do this if you can't see your competition, now can you?


Q. Will the fact that I use a Mouse or Tablet affect my Value?!
A. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NO. Buyers don't give a hoot if you draw with a tablet or mouse. All they care about is the art and it's QUALITY. Saying they'll pay more for tablet(or mouse) art just for the fact it's done with a tablet(or mouse) is like saying Photoshop art has more value than GIMP art just for the fact it's done with Photoshop. I've seen art done with tablets that are worse than art done with a mouse, I've also seen art that's better than art done with a mouse that was done with a Tablet, just like I've seen art done with GIMP that's better than art done with Photoshop(and vice versa). It's clearly not what you use people, it's HOW IT'S USED. If they see it's done with a mouse, big whoop. Done with a tablet? Cool you spent more money to get something that might help you get done faster.

Q. What do I do if I know I'm a crappy artist D:" I'm scared I won't value my art properly?
A. If you think you suck you either actually suck, or are a perfectionist like me and think you suck 24/7. Most really good artists think their art isn't good enough, because they always want to improve[ie. nit picky about details], which brings me to my next point...

THIS GUIDE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CONFIDENT THEIR ART WILL SELL.

If you don't think you are ready or if you even have to ask, "will this sell?" then you need to leave this guide, better yet this forum & work on your art. If you don't know if it will sell, then you are not ready for a shop of any kind. IF YOU AREN'T CONFIDENT, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL WITH ALL YOUR " :SWEAT: " SMILEYS.

+++*Yes, there are a FEW exceptions like people with unusual styles(NOT EVERYONE'S STYLE IS UNUSUAL! -.- By, unusual I'm talking like a chibi with a Tim Burton and Van Gogh mashup, like something you don't see everyday...many artists I've seen with styles like this are already aware to some extent that they are different, but for those that may not, you'll know when you have issues finding your market e.e. You may want to consider an art auction to get a feel for the demand for your style. Or maybe a temp. bribe shop(I only advise temporary shops in situations where you need to find out if you even have a demand). This doesn't mean you are an exception to confidence though! Confidence is key! You need to be confident with your artistic ability as well.

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Step One: Determining YOUR Market

In order to price yourself or anyone, you need to have a good background of the market that you will sell in. ORLY? Where do you go to learn about the market? Well the market it's self, of course. YARLY? The market you will sell in will be determined based on what you plan to sell. NO WAI!

▷▷Before we start, please read this sticky from the Minishops forum about where to place your shop. If you don't know where to place your shop, you can't find your market! WHICH SHOULD BE PRETTY OBVIOUS. Stickies aren't that bad guys, they help you and it will only take a couple minutes to read.

Once you know what forum you should place your shop in, it's time to get specific! What style of art are you selling? Is it traditional? Is it digital? Is it Anime? Is it Chibi/SD style? Is it Western-Cartoon? Is it Realistic? You get the idea. Once you've figured out what you plan on selling, we can continue on to the pricing part. You'll figure out later why knowing your market is a key factor when pricing.

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Step Two: Examining Shops

In order to price yourself you need to go to where you plan to sell your art and browse the shops there.
Be sure to look at plenty of shops(if you only look at like 3 you will NOT have a good idea of your market)!

While you are browsing those shops, keep the following in mind:
    What they are selling(does it fit your market[i.e. if you sell digital anime, are they selling digital anime?])
    What they are charging
    Would you buy it at that price? (think of it as if you have an infinite amount of funds to buy art with, don't just think "nah I wouldn't buy it because I can't afford it" )
    What do YOU value their art at(i.e. what's a comfortable price you'd pay, what's the highest you'd pay in the event that it was art you couldn't live without)
    How many posts they have, and how long the shop has been open
    Are they getting any customers? (if they don't have many and the shop date isn't relatively new then something is wrong with their shop)
    What the QUALITY of their art is(i.e. is the image file high quality, do they have lots of detail, how are they doing with anatomy, do they have BASIC shading/highlighting, do they stay consistent with a light source, etc.)
    Should they be selling at all? :L I mean cause' really some people should have NEVER made one in the first place...
    The TYPE of shop they have(is it a bribe shop?)


Shop Types

Standard Shop- You have a set price where each particular style costs the same amount.
Price Example for a standard shop: Headshots: 5k Every headshot would cost 5k unless tipped
Waist-up: 10k Every waist up would cost 10k unless tipped
Full Body: 15k Every full body would be 15k unless tipped
Chibi: 20k Every chibi would be 20k unless tipped
** These are example prices not what your art is worth and you should not base your prices off these.

Bribe shop
- Each style has a minimum bribe price. Minimum bribe means that they must offer higher than what that minimum price is. This leaves the buyer to decide what they want to pay(it could be double/triple/etc. what the minimum bribe price is!), but you still get a decent amount of money since they have to offer higher. So make the minimum bribe price not too high(slightly lower than what you'd take as a set price or if you are feeling greedy make it what you'd take as a set price. ;] They won't know unless you tell them. ) since they already offer higher than it anyways.
Price Example for a bribe shop- Headshots: Minimum Bribe 5k
Waist-up: Minimum Bribe 10k
Full Body: Min. Bribe 15k
Chibis: Min. Bribe 20k
**Again don't base your prices off these since they are examples.

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Step Three: Determining a PRICE

NOTICE: FOR YOU MORONS THAT JUST SKIP TO THIS STEP WITHOUT READING THE OTHER STEPS; DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS NOT MAKING ANY SENSE! IN OTHER WORDS, READ THE GUIDE OR ELSE THIS PART WILL STILL SEEM HARD. (obviously...this really shouldn't have to be said)

Once you have an idea of how much people are charging and so forth, you can price yourself. This part should be fairly easy now. Basically all you do is think about the quality of your art(vs. what is on the market), what YOU would pay for it(if you wouldn't pay [insert # here] gold for your art, it's likely someone else won't), and the demand for your art(what makes it so special?). Also, take into account the amount of customers you want(do you want a TON or just a couple once a month?). You may want a lower or raise price after you decide what a good set price would be for an average flow of customers(lower if you want lots, higher if you want less).

Please keep in mind what TYPE of shop you plan to do. If you want to do a bribe shop you will need to determine a MINIMUM bribe price, not a set price(set prices are used in standard shops). :3

If your price seems to bring in more customers than you'd like then raise it. If your price seems to not bring in as many as you'd like lower it.

..or you could do this:
Djubre
Minimum bribe is better than 'guessing bribes', but still, commissioners are starting to resent any sort of bribe shops so what I'm gonna do for myself is I'm going to price myself at a price that I'm comfortable with, and too many customers, I'll up the price, too little and I'll lower it. Don't really want to flip flop on my prices here.
[6/5/2010]


FOR THOSE THAT MAY NEED IT(although you should be confident in your ability to price) :
If you need second opinions on the price you decide you can make a thread in the P,A,&S asking if they think it will sell at that price. I got the idea, and approve of it, from this thread. I understand that we sometimes are unsure the first few times if the price we decide is right, so it's okay to ask people if they think your price is right. Asking for people to price your art for you, is an entirely different thing that you shouldn't need to do after reading this guide.

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Step Four: THE FINAL STEP

Now that you have a price that you are confident in, you are ready for a shop! Congratulations!

A FANTASTIC guide on creating an art shop can be found by a means of clicking on the banner below. I go there all the time to double check myself. It's one of the best guides I've ever found on Gaia, and it NEVER gets boring/old.
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Link Us!

While I only have three affiliates(and I'm not going to take more), I also have banners you can use to direct people here since you may come across someone needing assistance. You can put this guide in your shop too to let people know how you priced yourself. I honestly don't care what you do in regards to the banners. xD If you do post it around to help others, then thanks in advance! I really appreciate it. B'D

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NOTE: Please be respectful when you post my banners around. While you may have good intentions when posting it, be sure you just don't post it out of the blue in random pricing threads. These people do have the right to post their threads, if you plan to advertise my guide in those threads please make sure these people want assistance in pricing themselves first. Also, please price them too or at least post what you'd pay for it personally. Just posting my guide along with nothing helpful to them on their part is what I call, "negative advertising". You aren't doing anything that actually helps my guide by not helping the other person. They're more likely to overlook the guide or think that I'm just like you(inconsiderate of them) and not read it. I spent a lot of time writing this guide and I'd like it to be kept in a positive light.
Example: I'd be willing to pay about ____ for your art. Here are some tips to improve your art...
blahblahblah[insert tips here]. If you'd like a link to a guide about pricing yourself, since this forum isn't always the best place to get priced, I know a great guide for it.

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If you put the banner in your shop and it turns out a success(or I find it), I may add you here.

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Quotes/Advice/Testimonials/Etc.

Tyrotoxis
Brasstastic
I was just browsing through this forum, came across your thread, I saw your affiliates and I saw my guide's banner. heart

It appears you have good business so far since you've opened.
Yes, your guide was very helpful for me to get a better grasp at the worth of gaia gold and art in this forum.

However, I was still kind of at a loss since I found no shops with art quite like mine (that I thought was within reasonable ranges.) So, I came up with a new method.

After figuring out a minimum of which I would draw for, slowly and gradually, I'm raising the prices (as I finish commissions) to test and see at what point my prices are outrageous or unreasonable. I have yet to hit that point, but I'm quite satisfied with the condition of my shop thus far. :]


PipoPapo

C: Also, I learned from experience that if you are still unsure of how much you are willing to price, do a bribe shop. A very temporary bribe shop with a minimum bribe of say, 20k for a fullbod chibi. If no one buys, you know that you need a lower minimum price. If you get 10+ people buying, you can push the price to 30k+. If more people come or you get bogged down, 50k+.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Good job of this thread! C:

Luunare
This thread deserves an A ++.
Good job, this is just about the most perfect partner to Djubre's guide as they come.
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Synthetic Venom
oAo

I seriously love you, and I'm so glad I came across this thread. I suffered from precisely what this thread goes out and cures, and after reading it I no longer feel paranoid about pricing my own art!

I was always worried that if I came across as 'greedy', and priced my art relatively high, that people would, I dunno, eat me. But if people will buy then that's cool - as you've said it's pretty much a little bit of trial and error, and in running a shop there's really no place for excessive modesty unless you want to be ripped off for the amount of time that you invest in the work that you make for others.

Great work on the thread, and I hope it continues to help artists out who had the same problem as I did!

ennyier

Wonderful <3

Its about time someone made a guide of this kind. I'm exited for new artists to read this
and realize they aren't the worst artist nor the best artist, but that doesn't mean they can't
price their own properly. I know that someone who is truly trying to make a shop to sell
their art, would study other artists shops.. The "Price me" threads are honestly just laziness.
Most people in the P/A&S under price art any who. ; )
Again, a wonderful guide.

R o b o RIOT
Just wanted to say that I found this extremely helpful (moreso considering I had actually attempted a thread in here, lol). Having read through this and the affiliated "Gold Per Cent" thread, things honestly make more sense as far as pricing goes.

I've browsed art shops in the past and been shocked at the high looking prices, but considering how the gold compares to money in real life was really when it hit me. Never really saved up gold on here before, so it seemed absurd to me to charge so much, and now all that I had considered seems like I'd be ripping myself off.

So yeah, sorry if I'm rambling more than anything, but I just wanted to say thanks.
I'm proud to say I shall not be posting another thread in here again anytime soon. : D


I do read every post in this guide(or I try my best), and these are my favorite quotes so far. :]

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